>has anyone considered posting this article on their site and seeing how they'll react to it? would love to see a spergout or a redemption arc
You did, evidently. I have read this article in its entirety and have duly filed it under "faggotry." Good day.
Did someone actually post on Agora Road? I would love to see their dumb reactions to it.
Too bad I can't check it out since I can't access it over Tor.
> Consider the following: https://cy-x.net/articles?id=27
> You have fallen into a trap. Get out of it.
> Move on from the Agora Road.
Hi, somebody posted this on my guestbook(I'm guessing it was OP, which I think adds up with what others said about it being spammed on 50 forums in an earlier comment?). For context my site is https://risingthumb.xyz
I've read through the post, and I agree with some bits(cloudflare, advertising) and disagree with other bits(description of old internet, dude look at geocities, it's literally Yahoo. Even usenet or old BBS systems don't fit your description, tribute to Ross, it being slow software(this site loads in 1200ms in network request, Agora Road's site loads in 1400ms in the network requests, func_msgboard loads in 100ms, so both this and agora road are an order of magnitude worse in comparison to func_msgboard in terms of speed of use), perhaps get out of the same ballpark before criticising it for that, otherwise you're just a hypocrite).
Anyways, my question is, what's the trap? Or is it just clickbait to get people to look at your article?
>Even usenet or old BBS systems don't fit your description
wdym how does that now fit the article's description
>Real old internet culture still exists.
>IRC networks still operate.
>XMPP servers provide decentralized communication.
>Self-hosted forums run without tracking or subscription fees.
>The protocols and principles that made the original internet valuable are still available
>tribute to Ross
why do you disagree with the criticism on that
>>register on agora road using tor
>>the article says this exact thing btw
>>the same exact thing the silk road needed in order to work
>>get banned
>this site loads in 1200ms in network request, Agora Road's site loads in 1400ms in the network requests
95% of agora road's network requests consist of javascript bloat and advertising spyware
>func_msgboard loads in 100ms
>perhaps get out of the same ballpark before criticising it for that, otherwise you're just a hypocrite
this quake forum wasn't even mentioned in the article
also your statistics are horribly fucking wrong
what the fuck are you on
even if we use your own statistics cyberix remains faster than agora road anyway and is inherently superior to agora road:
1 - cyberix tries to atleast use homemade software
^ agora road just uses xenforo with a larp skin
2 - cyberix tries to be minimalist
^ agora road will make you casually waste 5 megabytes on loading the front page
3 - cyberix is not monetized and only takes donations
^ agora road slaps advertisements and popups everywhere
and their entire shop just consists of shitty 4chan memes and recolored anime girls
if you had any hope of loading agora road in any browser that's even slightly below standards then good fucking luck. pale moon takes eleven fucking seconds to load the front page and that's even worse than chromium's 5 second loadtime + whether or not chromium tried preloading the website from the address bar
i also find it funny how you pull up these old protocols and even an old quake forum but the second half of your post is criticizing cy-x.net for taking at most 2 seconds to load. maybe you've never actually had to deal with older internet speeds back then
>what's the trap?
this site resembles absolutely nothing of the old internet that most people think it is, it's inherently a honeypot made to suck people who are interested in cultivating a culture similar to it but are unaware that there are better options out there. it's absolutely appalling that you've even linked a forum that represents the old internet more than agora road but it doesnt seem like you realize what the problem is just yet
>wdym how does that now fit the article's description
>>Real old internet culture still exists.
>>IRC networks still operate.
>>XMPP servers provide decentralized communication.
>>Self-hosted forums run without tracking or subscription fees.
>>The protocols and principles that made the original internet valuable are still available
From the OP to show how it fits with article's description:
>The old internet wasn't good because of how it looked. It was good because:
>No tracking: Your browsing wasn't monitored by dozens of corporate partners
>Free access: Features weren't locked behind subscription paywalls
>Community ownership: Users controlled their own data and servers
>Privacy by default: Anonymity was protected, not monetized
>Resistance to commercialization: Communities explicitly rejected corporate influence
Just to say it, XMPP is hardly old internet, it's mid-2000s. Anyways it's still pretty rubbish because of how many differing implementations and how all over the place parts of the XEP are implemented. A pipe dream for tech autists, and absolutely miserable for an actual user. I know this because I've set up an XMPP server in the past and got some users to use it, and the differences between clients meant it was an absolute nightmare. Perhaps one of you guys had better luck than me, but sorting it out for people who aren't technologically literate was too much for me.
Anyways back to the old internet... there was no privacy by default as MITM attacks are trivial on HTTP, the others probably had other vulnerabilities that are trivial to exploit that do not consider your privacy(aside from XMPP). They were resistant to commercialisation. They were resistant to tracking(though tracking as a whole with the internet was more of a thing after cookies existed). It was absolutely not community ownership. Just as the owner of Cyberix is a benevolent dictator of this forum and can ban people at will and volition(even if they choose not to, they have the power to), it's not community owned. You also do not own your data. As soon as I make this post, you own all the associated data effectively. And besides, an open protocol still led us into all this mess! The modern internet is all built on "open protocols"! You want something that maybe goes a different way? Look into the Gemini Protocol, but to me it's kind of a dead end. Maybe you'll have better luck?
Also you said the old internet wasn't good because of how it looked. I disagree, it was good because of how it looked, but they just designed things better back then. As an example, remember winamp?
>>tribute to Ross
>why do you disagree with the criticism on that
A tribute is just a show of respect, gratitude or admiration man. Just because you do a tribute doesn't mean you hold all or the same values, and it's pretty extreme to expect that.
> what the fuck are you on
I use Brave with adblock so maybe that contributes to the load times compared to using Palemoon. I cede the point, I suppose it is slower, but not slow enough for me to find it disgustingly worse than other modern internet sites. I've attached an image of my speeds for Agora
>>what's the trap?
>this site resembles absolutely nothing of the old internet that most people think it is, it's inherently a honeypot made to suck people who are interested in cultivating a culture similar to it but are unaware that there are better options out there. it's absolutely appalling that you've even linked a forum that represents the old internet more than agora road but it doesnt seem like you realize what the problem is just yet
I'm aware it's not an old internet site. It's a site that has nostalgia for early 2000s and 90s stuff, and it's pretty plain and evident to anyone who has eyes how it goes for a style similar to geocities(which is what I think of when I think old internet, not a bunch of protocols). Anyways, func_msgboard? Not old internet either as it's mostly used for announcements of map jams and new releases while most of the community hangs out on the Quake Mapping Discord. It's sad and I'm not a fan, but network effects has the most power here.
If you're telling people to move on from Agora Road, do you have an alternative that at least tries to capture the same spirit it's going for? This place certainly doesn't. I have looked around at other forums before and most are just pretty sterile :(
>I've attached an image of my speeds for Agora
not that invested in this thread but fyi anonymous attachments are removed after 10-15 minutes of posting because of the child porn bots
>Do you have an alternative that at least tries to capture the same spirit it's going for?
Agora Road has no spirit. It is inherently piggybacking off of sanitized corporate aesthetics and a child's idea of what they think the "old internet" would be in the form of a spyware infested Xenforo forum.
I'm a former Agora Road user for a long time, I left about a year ago because I was tired of some of the same discussions, and some of the new users were annoying. I always disliked the setup of the website, I tolerated it because I wasn't aware of any other website remotely like this.
I lurk here, lainchan, Heyuri, 4-ch, and a ton of other places, but I have the most fond memories of Agora. Through some times, visiting the site felt like I stepped from a cold dark day into a warm pub with familiar faces. Spending time on there, you get to know the people there, and there is this somewhat personal dimension that no other site really has.
In terms of the relation to the first article, Agora Road users would be more in agreement with the article. Personally, I couldn't care less about the site aesthetic, and I was not the only one. We were laughing for days in the aftermath of Yesterweb's demise, a 'collective' who used old-web nostalgia to promote communism, while being mostly organized on Discord. Agora users tend to value original content/discussion and criticize lazy repetition.
Though that said, I don't know if it's the same anymore. I check it here and there and nothing captures my interest anymore. Where are the really interesting discussions I remember? Another thread of nusers basking in the afterglow of purging their social media (will they stick the course?)... more bland media discussion... etc. Though threads here don't seem particularly good yet. I've seen a lot of shit-slinging, personal attacks, and bland thread starters, but I like the idea of this site and will stick around a little while to see if it's good.
>I've seen a lot of shit-slinging, personal attacks, and bland thread starters
I'm cracking down on these kinds of threads and the users posting them until they step up their game. I'm definitely going to be stricter about this garbage because, frankly, I can't stand it either. These posts are lazy attempts to drag in the worst of short-form, low-effort posting culture to a forum that's trying to break free from exactly that. I'm here for quality information and real discussion, not “huehuehue hey guise social MEDIA is bad what do u think guise!!! thats so crazy!!!!! right???” nonsense.
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