= Introduction =

Hello again all,

I saw how little/much you all have replied to forum ID 281, my debate about flash is indeed not wise of me, due to me being blinded due to nostalgia and factorization, as one anon has said it best.
attatchment://1

While yes, there were vulnerabilities inside of flash itself, this will be different than what I have to say about flash, even if the movies/games were indeed ahead of their time!

Just sites sucking you in and giving you malware or even hell to give you more pain to end without you, the user, knowing at all.

To the next section..

= Zoomers Use Their Phone Too Often =

Now, everyone here has seen this issue way too often, you could be outside, reading a book or enjoying the nice sounds of outside, just to hear a random low-generation with their phone out and addicted to it like it was their vape pen.

or you're inside a mall and you're walking just to explore life a bit a little (sadly, it's not the 2000s so guys dont go to malls most of the time) and you see mostly a majority of zoomers (70%) with their phones out, either they could also be talking to each other but most/some of them have their phones out.

I'm not one to care about others like this usually even on a school-appropriated scenario, but I'll give it to you anyway.

I'm not from the EU but it's the States, it's a bit different. They don't give you a letter in the mailbox or anything similar, you're just supposed to be told or guessed.

And some states like mine, are currently going through a phone-ban law. Either a Fine or something worse.

I have seen this student in my Excel Spreadsheet Class pull out his phone twice, a maximum of fifteen minutes being used every time.

If I could write down on a piece of paper how many times a zoomer has used their phone, it'd be over the count of fifty most definitely.

Another great example is currently as I am typing this sentence (I revise afterwards when I am done, but this is a great example and leaving it untouched), my table mates, or even a large percentage of the class are mostly IPhone users who need to look at it every time.

= Conclusion =

Even if I would want to finish this and revise, I like to have this out and ready instead of revising like the flash debate.

Till said, thank you for listening.

Signing off.

Realized I also failed the attachment.

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I'm less concerned with how often gen Z uses thier phones, and more concerned with the effect it has has on them.

The "Gen Z stare".

Having had their formative years replaced with scrolling the YouTube comment section, the average Zoomy will shut down and stare when presented with an IRL dialog option.

I've got a cousin. She has the Stare.
"Hey Jennifer we can either order pizza or pick something up. I'm payin'. Got a preference?"
Gen Z Jennifer: "............."
"I ask because I know you like that nearby Chinese place and they do carry out, but pizza is less effort."
Jennifer: ".............. ok."

And that, I find is a microcosm of Gen Z. They will have the most bizarre mid life crisis (crisi..?) ever.

I guess you are a younger zoomer yourself, and as such mostly interact with other zoomers. The phenomenon you describe certainly isn't limited to gen-Z. Millenials and gen-X people also look at their phone whenever they need to escape boredom. Gen-Xers are probably the worst, since they have the authority to ignore it when asked to look away from their phone.

To me i dont mind phones so much, although i am 21 so take that however you want.
I dont think phones affect social interaction to terribly. theres lots of reels and memes to send and get from friends. the biggest thing i feel like i lack is being able to be a good friend or partner in serious relationships. for instance making choices while keeping people who are close to me in mind. i dont feel like talking is too terrible. i just want to be a good person to be around and also have what i do with my life build towards something important like making new connections or learning skills. or make the world a better place for some people like participating in i2p.

I find it odd you consider walking in a mall 'exploring life'. It's a church for consumerism.
Anyway, about your post, I can only ask what is your point? Zoomers use their phone a lot, yes, we all know this. Do you have some new and interesting perspective on this?

As it's been pointed out, this isn't exclusively a zoomer thing. The notion of generations should be dropped entirely, because there is no age group that isn't like this. I take the train every day, I don't like to read in noisy places so all I do is watch people on the train. It's so fucking boring because they don't do anything, they're just on their phones, or if they aren't they've still got headphones in, plugged into their own personal bubble trying to forget the passage of time. Even the little kids and the elderly are all jacked in, hence why separating by generations isn't useful. The whole sight and the idea is overwhelming sometimes.

I've noticed the 'Gen Z stare'! It's funny, I used to be so socially awkward that everybody thought I had autism (I don't, and their understanding of autism comes from pop culture). In the past five years I've improved, put myself out there more, haven't been on social media in like five years or something, meanwhile my peers only got worse.
Additionally, I feel like zoomers struggle without step-by-step instructions on things, they can't bridge a small gap. Also, is it just me or do they have problems with motor coordination? I feel like every time I watch a zoomer do some simple physical action, they make it look more difficult than it has to be.

>is it just me or do they have problems with motor coordination?

I've also noticed this and it doesn't seem to occur in older people.

I think it boils down to the fact that some of them rarely use their limbs for physical activity, the usage of their fine motor skills ends at writing in class.

They don't go outside to play anymore.

The usage of the phone is less of a concern/issue than their seemingly compulsive need to be drip fed content from an algorithm. Having a portable, internet connected device with enough processing power to do most anything you'd do with your computer at home that doesn't require the form factor of a personal computer (ie. keyboard, decent sized monitor, etc) is truly a wonderful thing that I'm sure 90% of this forum has taken advantage of before. Being able to bring up a wiki article in the middle of the day, acquire and begin reading any book you choose, chat with your friends, use a terminal emulator, all with a device in your pocket? That shit's great, there's no point in denying that.

The inherent privacy concerns around carrying a cell phone are of course legit and I wouldn't fault somebody for forgoing using a phone if that was their reason, but I still think it's a little too boomerish to blame the devices themselves for the harmful content that is being consumed with them. Algorithmic recommendation systems are the drug that's robbing not just zoomers, but most people in developed countries of their lust for life, the phone is just the route of administration and zoomers are the most avid consumers.

It's well to say some technology does not necessarily have to be used a certain way, but the fact is it is overwhelming used some way.
I believe the phone's form determined what it has become used for. The mouse and keyboard are precise and intentional, while touch and gesture is coarse and instinctual. This makes a phone bad for work, but a natural 'self-extension' device, and social media is an extension of a persons social life (or at this point, the medium of all social life). Also, smartphones have always been locked down and controlling of the user, which has massively influenced how they can be used, what they are used for, perception of them, etc.
You cannot separate the device and the problem. The algorithms are the exact problem, but the form of the device is complicit. It would not be anywhere close to this bad if it weren't for pocket computers designed to be used anywhere with minimal effort. If we still had these platforms but people could only access them through a desktop/laptop, the problem would be much much less severe.

>The mouse and keyboard are precise and intentional
I don't have the source at hand but I recently saw some study about the perceived placebo of keyboard only being more effective versus using a mouse when doing some task. People who used a keyboard only thought they were more efficient when really the mouse users were able to do the task much quicker. My point is that the mouse users were more efficient because using the mouse is not intentional as you say, its operation happens on a more automatic subconscious level meaning that multitasking is easier, and so is manipulating behaviour--dark patterns work as well on a touchscreen device and a mouse driven interface. But on a keyboard driven interface? Completely ineffectual (based on anecdotal data). A mouse cursor floating around is about as unintentional as a touchscreen gesture.

Did you read this study yourself? Surely you have a link? a name? I cannot take this on board without seeing the study for myself. I tried looking it up and didn't find it. Part of me is convinced that it's an urban myth.

Regardless, are you really saying that you believe that if you want to copy some text to another program, that {Ctrl+C Alt+Tab Ctrl+V} is slower than {R-Clk Move L-Clk Move L-Clk Move R-Clk Move L-Clk} because some study (that may not exist) said so?

>are you really saying that
No, I'm not saying that. I never mentioned mouse-only working (which I agree is slow). Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I was talking about keyboard-only vs kb+mouse. How are you selecting the text to copy in your {Ctrl+C Alt+Tab Ctrl+V} example? With the mouse, almost without thinking. And the point I was trying to make wasn't about the efficiency per se but the reason for why a mouse w/ a keyboard can be more efficient than only a keyboard: because using the mouse isn't as intentional.

Completely bypassed my asking for a link to this study, and the question of whether you read this study yourself.Can't have a meaningful conversation until we see this.
Sure you aren't talking about the Apple studies? Read this. https://danluu.com/keyboard-v-mouse/