XLIBRE PAGE REMOVED FROM ARCH WIKI
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2294792
Thread discussing this just got deleted, it should be obvious now that this is never getting fixed nor are they going to give a reason why it's not allowed other than vague references to the about page of Xlibre
Alad Wenter.png
This Alad "fellow" has been talking on his wiki's talk page about this and has basically justified the whole thing with references to XLibre's "About us" page.
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So far, he has not mentioned anything anywhere about what on the 'About us' page he finds distasteful or worthy of deletion. Just references to it and Arch Linux's "Reputation". Reminder: arch linux's wiki also provides detailed instructions on pirating and emulating video games, and no changes have been made to that for years (nor should there be).
There was a thread discussing it, now deleted without reason. There's also a talk page asking for third party arbitration, expect this to get shot down since it's clear this is another command from above.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ArchWiki_talk:Requests#Request_for_arbitration_regarding_Xlibre_page_deleted_for_political_reasons
If you want to know the kind of "Angry chud language" the page had before its deletion, here's a snapshot of it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260417133903/https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2294792
Entirely people being civil and attempting to pretend Alad is acting in good faith. Thread deleted anyway. Also several of these users are now banned without reason.
Also here's the talk page for Alad. Every attempt to discuss it with Alad or get clarification gets closed/deleted.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User_talk:Alad
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ArchWiki:Maintenance_Team
They're not even considered an active wiki maintainer.
Reminder, the whole thing is because XServer was maintained by Red Hat, which is owned and run by IBM. IBM and Red Hat are full on leftist organization now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfVIbXKqtg
And 5 days ago, they settled a smaller suit for DEI practices
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVueCw001AQ
IBM and Red Hat are still a full on DEI organization.
The reason IBM's DEI is relevant here is that Wayland is pushed as a DEI project with DEI devs. They want to kill X completely. So maintainers who want to keep X and update it and run their own updates, are a threat to DEI infiltration within open source
>I will not explain the situation because even I am aware that I am the problem and have no reasonable basis.
Arch Vs ALad Xlibre.jpg
The Code of Conduct is for users of Arch, not for anyone an Arch user might care to mention.
Misapplied use of CoC, and the section he cites even says:
>respect [others] and their views, even if you disagree with them. When you do find yourself disagreeing; counter the idea or the argument, rather than engage in ad hominem attacks.
Alad didn't counter ideas here.
They're an admin. Which is basically "We're the boss fuck you", they didn't even log in for upwards of a month beforehand before they just did this.
If you want my opinion: They're the fall guy. There are commands coming from up above and they're using this little wiki admin who doesn't interact with the page anyway as the face of it. The actual actors get to hide in the shadows and find other ways to manipulate the project. Start archiving the wiki, now. It's XLibre today but it could be Grub2 once systemd-boot gets attestation, TPM, and verified ID support.
Linux is a corporate-controlled project now and they don't like any opposition to their goals. Mentioning systemd or Wayland in a negative manner in most Linux spaces online will see you branded as a Nazi by an army of useful idiots.
Funniest part: If they had just let the Xlibre project owner have his temper tantrum on the freedesktop.org's wiki pages way back in the day and make his fork in peace, nobody would know about it. The knowledge of XLibre stems directly from freedesktop.org's attempts to slander, destroy, delete, and remove him from any and all projects associated with GNOME or RedHat. He's banned on github, he's banned on freedesktop.org, he's banned on literally every corporate wiki including the X11 wiki, Ubuntu wiki, and mentioning XLibre on Ubuntu or Debian's mailing list is an instant ban. Youtube, when googling X11, now displays videos discussing the XLibre controversy over configuring X11 or even XWayland.
This is why I know the attempts to blacklist XLibre came from a corporate command instead of being grassroots: no individual outrage campaign would fall for the Streisand effect this hard. This is 100% a corporate mandate from above trying to move the needle a little bit ending in a huge overreaction which popularized their enemy. Corporations cannot help themselves and RedHat as well as Freedesktop.org are part of the largest corporation in open source. There is no "sensible center" to letting corporations walk all over you.
Thread discussing this just got deleted, it should be obvious now that this is never getting fixed nor are they going to give a reason why it's not allowed other than vague references to the about page of Xlibre
Alad Wenter.png
This Alad "fellow" has been talking on his wiki's talk page about this and has basically justified the whole thing with references to XLibre's "About us" page.
muh reputation.png
So far, he has not mentioned anything anywhere about what on the 'About us' page he finds distasteful or worthy of deletion. Just references to it and Arch Linux's "Reputation". Reminder: arch linux's wiki also provides detailed instructions on pirating and emulating video games, and no changes have been made to that for years (nor should there be).
There was a thread discussing it, now deleted without reason. There's also a talk page asking for third party arbitration, expect this to get shot down since it's clear this is another command from above.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ArchWiki_talk:Requests#Request_for_arbitration_regarding_Xlibre_page_deleted_for_political_reasons
If you want to know the kind of "Angry chud language" the page had before its deletion, here's a snapshot of it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260417133903/https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2294792
Entirely people being civil and attempting to pretend Alad is acting in good faith. Thread deleted anyway. Also several of these users are now banned without reason.
Also here's the talk page for Alad. Every attempt to discuss it with Alad or get clarification gets closed/deleted.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User_talk:Alad
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ArchWiki:Maintenance_Team
They're not even considered an active wiki maintainer.
Reminder, the whole thing is because XServer was maintained by Red Hat, which is owned and run by IBM. IBM and Red Hat are full on leftist organization now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfVIbXKqtg
And 5 days ago, they settled a smaller suit for DEI practices
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVueCw001AQ
IBM and Red Hat are still a full on DEI organization.
The reason IBM's DEI is relevant here is that Wayland is pushed as a DEI project with DEI devs. They want to kill X completely. So maintainers who want to keep X and update it and run their own updates, are a threat to DEI infiltration within open source
>I will not explain the situation because even I am aware that I am the problem and have no reasonable basis.
Arch Vs ALad Xlibre.jpg
The Code of Conduct is for users of Arch, not for anyone an Arch user might care to mention.
Misapplied use of CoC, and the section he cites even says:
>respect [others] and their views, even if you disagree with them. When you do find yourself disagreeing; counter the idea or the argument, rather than engage in ad hominem attacks.
Alad didn't counter ideas here.
They're an admin. Which is basically "We're the boss fuck you", they didn't even log in for upwards of a month beforehand before they just did this.
If you want my opinion: They're the fall guy. There are commands coming from up above and they're using this little wiki admin who doesn't interact with the page anyway as the face of it. The actual actors get to hide in the shadows and find other ways to manipulate the project. Start archiving the wiki, now. It's XLibre today but it could be Grub2 once systemd-boot gets attestation, TPM, and verified ID support.
Linux is a corporate-controlled project now and they don't like any opposition to their goals. Mentioning systemd or Wayland in a negative manner in most Linux spaces online will see you branded as a Nazi by an army of useful idiots.
Funniest part: If they had just let the Xlibre project owner have his temper tantrum on the freedesktop.org's wiki pages way back in the day and make his fork in peace, nobody would know about it. The knowledge of XLibre stems directly from freedesktop.org's attempts to slander, destroy, delete, and remove him from any and all projects associated with GNOME or RedHat. He's banned on github, he's banned on freedesktop.org, he's banned on literally every corporate wiki including the X11 wiki, Ubuntu wiki, and mentioning XLibre on Ubuntu or Debian's mailing list is an instant ban. Youtube, when googling X11, now displays videos discussing the XLibre controversy over configuring X11 or even XWayland.
This is why I know the attempts to blacklist XLibre came from a corporate command instead of being grassroots: no individual outrage campaign would fall for the Streisand effect this hard. This is 100% a corporate mandate from above trying to move the needle a little bit ending in a huge overreaction which popularized their enemy. Corporations cannot help themselves and RedHat as well as Freedesktop.org are part of the largest corporation in open source. There is no "sensible center" to letting corporations walk all over you.
Hey I made a couple of those images!
I will add that I do not think this and the discussion of DEI have anything to do with each other at this time. XLibre is being targeted due to personal vendettas that would normally be stopped, but the attitude of the general Arch team is "Good, they deserve it". I'm sure there's a certain imageboard they have been posting their vitriol over the project, anonymously.
This post also omitted what I think is the most important part of this saga: Alad is the fall guy, the one chosen likely by a group of people to make this change because him and his relationship to the Arch Wiki is tenuous at best before this happened. He was checked out of dealing with wiki politics even before this saga ever occurred and only came back to do this. If you check his user talk page, right now- All the discussion that is screenshotted has been deleted and all users deleted or banned.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User_talk:Alad
You can compare to the snapshot from last night, and even this is missing some discussion:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260417152121/https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User_talk:Alad#More_XLibre_Vandalism
As you may guess this violates some policies of Arch Wiki's rules, and is the beginning of covering-up the coverup. There have also been talks from admins on the Xorg talk page about banning anyone who brings this issue up once more:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Xorg#XLibre
[quote]No. The cited section states "Arch Linux is a respectful, inclusive community. Anti-social or offensive behaviour will not be tolerated" followed by "Maligning other FOSS projects or distributions, or any other operating systems and their users is prohibited". XLibre is inflammatory since its inception against the Xorg project, e.g. the name-calling "moles from BigTech" in the official website about section that is still featured to this day.
You registered specifically to troll/flame/bikeshed a closed topic: I'm closing it again and banning you.
To anyone reading, I will ban any person who harasses members of staff (multiple people leaving a single comment can also be seen as harassment).[/quote]
Which I think is the actual story, in this post. It's not that Alad decided to make a sweeping change that has affected an entire project over moral concerns, it's that the entire moderation staff seem to agree with him and have far more harsh opinions on what is to be done to wrong-thinkers than even Alad had. Alad did not believe in banning anyone who disagreed with him from the project or the wiki, but this admin does. He is even explicitly threatening the banning of anyone questioning the decision under the rules of "XLibre is inflammatory since its inception against the Xorg project". Which isn't just biased, it's also inflammatory in itself since the spat is well-known at this point and it's difficult to argue this was one-way. Furthermore threatening to wave the ban stick at anyone who disagrees or wishes to discuss it further. Which, again, not even Alad was doing that. Nor was he banning a group of people coming to the defense of an open source project.
The entire row over this and Age Verification, where archinstall's talk page had multiple long-time users banned permanently over its decision to include age verification by default, are symptoms of an underlying problem of extremely controlling admins beginning to make power-plays in the project to remove what they deem to be people and thoughts unfit for their new rule. Question their rule or their logic? Get the ban. No logic, reason, or discussion necessary. The discussion moved from technical merits to the following edict: "XLibre is inflammatory, I told you so, and that settles it. You will know what is inflammatory, because I will tell you".
I will add that I do not think this and the discussion of DEI have anything to do with each other at this time. XLibre is being targeted due to personal vendettas that would normally be stopped, but the attitude of the general Arch team is "Good, they deserve it". I'm sure there's a certain imageboard they have been posting their vitriol over the project, anonymously.
This post also omitted what I think is the most important part of this saga: Alad is the fall guy, the one chosen likely by a group of people to make this change because him and his relationship to the Arch Wiki is tenuous at best before this happened. He was checked out of dealing with wiki politics even before this saga ever occurred and only came back to do this. If you check his user talk page, right now- All the discussion that is screenshotted has been deleted and all users deleted or banned.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User_talk:Alad
You can compare to the snapshot from last night, and even this is missing some discussion:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260417152121/https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User_talk:Alad#More_XLibre_Vandalism
As you may guess this violates some policies of Arch Wiki's rules, and is the beginning of covering-up the coverup. There have also been talks from admins on the Xorg talk page about banning anyone who brings this issue up once more:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Xorg#XLibre
[quote]No. The cited section states "Arch Linux is a respectful, inclusive community. Anti-social or offensive behaviour will not be tolerated" followed by "Maligning other FOSS projects or distributions, or any other operating systems and their users is prohibited". XLibre is inflammatory since its inception against the Xorg project, e.g. the name-calling "moles from BigTech" in the official website about section that is still featured to this day.
You registered specifically to troll/flame/bikeshed a closed topic: I'm closing it again and banning you.
To anyone reading, I will ban any person who harasses members of staff (multiple people leaving a single comment can also be seen as harassment).[/quote]
Which I think is the actual story, in this post. It's not that Alad decided to make a sweeping change that has affected an entire project over moral concerns, it's that the entire moderation staff seem to agree with him and have far more harsh opinions on what is to be done to wrong-thinkers than even Alad had. Alad did not believe in banning anyone who disagreed with him from the project or the wiki, but this admin does. He is even explicitly threatening the banning of anyone questioning the decision under the rules of "XLibre is inflammatory since its inception against the Xorg project". Which isn't just biased, it's also inflammatory in itself since the spat is well-known at this point and it's difficult to argue this was one-way. Furthermore threatening to wave the ban stick at anyone who disagrees or wishes to discuss it further. Which, again, not even Alad was doing that. Nor was he banning a group of people coming to the defense of an open source project.
The entire row over this and Age Verification, where archinstall's talk page had multiple long-time users banned permanently over its decision to include age verification by default, are symptoms of an underlying problem of extremely controlling admins beginning to make power-plays in the project to remove what they deem to be people and thoughts unfit for their new rule. Question their rule or their logic? Get the ban. No logic, reason, or discussion necessary. The discussion moved from technical merits to the following edict: "XLibre is inflammatory, I told you so, and that settles it. You will know what is inflammatory, because I will tell you".
[US-FL]
arch allowed integration of age verification, im surprised it took them this long to remove xlibre as well
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[PK]
I do believe on some level, the two are likely related. Or at least, the decision to include age verification and the powers that came with forcing that decision through are related to admins suddenly having the will to simply delete projects they do not like.
[US-FL]
Drama and infighting will kill Linux before corporations ever come close.
[DE]