>>3676
soulful

>Never put identifying information online. Weird people will do weird things with it.
zoomers:
>HERES A LINK TO MY PROFILE ON EVERY SINGLE WEBSITE I HAVE EVER USED ONLINE x3

Good read. I think discord did offer better features then irc and irc wasn't decentralized but it offered the ability to do so. so that should be mentioned. I used irc for a long time and I had most of the features discord had but required setting up. Embeded thumbnails required plugins, private server or a service for hosting, and using mumble. I loved using mumble for VC you can even upload images in the chat. It really does suck ass that matrix and the discord alternatives are such shit but they really shouldn't be. Also the ironic thing is setting up a fucking matrix instance is harder then setting up ircd server.

tl;dr: my culture is NOT your costume

I've tried to get younger people join my IRC room and it's impossible. We spoonfeed them everything and even in the few cases they manage to get in, they leave after 5 minutes and never come back because it lacks all the bells and whistles of Discord. So it's only my group of older pals and me.

I don't get why zoomers think doxxing yourself to chat (phone number, emails, face scan/ID in certain countries, no VPN) on discord is less inconvenient than registering a username on IRC.

Something I'm somewhat disappointed wasn't mentioned is Usenet. While it was mostly ran by ISPs and businesses for a price back in the day, the core of Usenet (NNTP) has always been decentralized. Actually, the reason why it started sucking was because there was an attempt to centralize it thanks to Google Groups, which ended up de-peering a few years ago making UseNet a much more pleasant experience.

While the paid services are still useful for binaries, the article aspect is available with a number of free services, and it's not too hard to start your own. These servers peering with each other basically encourage anti-censorship and privacy. It's like a decent decentralized forum.


>>495
> how cute. retarded zoomer larping as a "le ebin oldefag millenial" who thinks that """"self-hosting"" is the norm back in the day.
>
> umm no, sweaty...self-hosting wasn't even the norm back in the day
It actually was. If you did any research, you'd know the majority of individually ran websites and their services were ran on their own hardware or hardware leased to them by their college with full access opened up from their ISP because everyone had a static IP at the time. Self-hosting wasn't just the norm, it existed for almost everyone. It wasn't until a bit later where ISPs stopped offering this and services like Geocities popped up. The exceptions were established businesses who had their own hardware to handle their service.

the part about early internet experience they forget to mention is the part where you go outside and not use a computer for most of the day

Your first mistake is assuming these people are stupid. They know exactly what they're doing and are deliberately insidious.

Just like all those pooners claiming 4cuck oldtroon culture, these trannies are retconning the cool-but-problematic past as part of the Eternal Present, and vilify all evidence to the contrary, including living people like you guys. But remember, the truth is on your side; much like with everything else, bringing it up makes their fiction collapse and causes meltdowns. If anyone wants to drop that fake shit and actually RETVRN, so to say, they will seek out spaces like this and their knowledge on their own.

i am the frutiger aero. that means zoomer are obsessed of me.

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

now they are racists

educate people instead of making fun of them and youll achieve what you seek. you are all assholes

sometimes education requires being a little harsh to get the message across. maybe if you had a growth mindset you could be freed from your shackles rather than having artificial rookie arrogance that will get you nowhere in life

mhmmm

ayy

this would hit harder if it were written by a human instead of AI

>>4175
Should I take this as a compliment or an insult? >_>

baby ducks don't like to discuss how the webification of windows began with the integration of internet explorer in 1998 http://toastytech.com/guis/win98.html >When Windows 98 starts, it launches the "enhanced" Windows Explorer, which is integrated with Microsoft's Internet Explorer product. This is done for the "benefit of the consumer". What it really does is add unnecessary clutter to the display and slows down the system. It also provides an excuse for Microsoft to continue bundling IE with Windows.
http://toastytech.com/guis/wxp.html >The main control panel has been changed to a web page although most of the control panel applets are still tabbed dialog boxes. Some of the applets such as the user management control panel have been changed to a webby interface.
http://toastytech.com/guis/win72.html >Like XP and Vista, the control panel is still a mess of web pages.
my lxqt desktop feels like windows 2000 without internet explorer

You know what's funny about this? That if you didn't have aspergers you would be able to persuade your schoolmates into using another chatroom app just fine

What's even funnier is you're literally this meme


You think you have some noble cause because freedom but you're just a clueless dork that has no idea how the world works, assuming you're not a teenager

You should unironically touch grass and get pussy you massive fucking loser

>>4181
ad hominem

>>4175
HAHAHAHHAA NO WAY YOU THINK THIS IS AI LMAOO

OP's thesis is basically flawed.
geocities is a good example of why. the center of old-web nostalgia, it runs contrary to all four principles.
>Decentralization: The old internet was made of countless independent sites, not a handful of corporate platforms
geocities was a centralized web-host, which is why they were able to kill it. the pages were "decentralized" compared to twitter, sure, but it was just a better breed of corporate platform.
>Technical competence: Users actually understood their tools instead of being passive consumers
the technical side of a geocities page is a big step up from current social media, but usually it's badly hand-written HTML or some frontpage abomination. there's a confabulation here between technical competence, which was lacking, and not being a passive consumer - one can be an active creator who is technically incompetent.
>Privacy by default: You controlled your data because you hosted it yourself
half granted because tracking technology wasn't there yet, but "you hosted it yourself" is mostly wrong: geocities hosted it for you and it was out of your control in that respect.
>Resistance to corporate control: The whole point was avoiding centralized authority
repeating #1: geocities was corporate controlled and the corporation pulled the plug when they decided they weren't making enough money.

the big problem with web nostalgia is that it appeals to nerds who go looking for big technical or weakly-political explanations (it was all good before normies/zoomers/indians showed up!) for something much muddier. a normie throwing together some HTML on Yahoo! GeoCities™ did something that the modern web lacked, but any real explanation of what that was will fail to satisfy because it won't provide an easy person to blame for why we ended up where we are today.

Nostalgia is masturbation. Nostalgiac rhetoric is essentially identical to masturbator rhetoric.
Muh faps arent hurting anybody!! Dont you want to know about my faps??? What if everything was about faps?? We should all fap together bros!!
Mind poison concentrated deliberately through generations of intense psychoscientific rigor to creaTe the perfect breed of consumer retard insects.

I mostly agree with your points, however holy shit do zoomers live in your head rent free.
>t. zoomer who absolutely despises the "frutiger aero" shit, Fluent Design is just better in every way.

>there are aesthetics trends among youngsters
wow great observations being made

zoomers won
skbibidi toilet won
ohio won
labubu won
yt shorts won
millenials LSOT
oldfags LOST

this thread is the funniest shit i've seen all day. OP definitely has a point though. i've been thinking about this stuff on and off pretty regularly for a couple years now, and decided that this year will be the year i take meaningful effort to get off of the web. it's not like you had to be some sort of 31337 haxx0rz to get online 20 years ago, but you had to put a modicum of effort in to learn the basics, you know? low-effort people were filtered as a result, keeping quality of discussion and such on the net at a reasonable level. and re; decentralisation, i would posit that - when combined with an appropriate (read: non-malicious) search engine - it makes indexing sites with specialised knowledge much easier.

for example, if you wanted to learn about, i dunno, albanian basket weaving or some shit, right, you'd punch that in and get some shit from basketweaver's forums and a few autists whose special interest was basketweaving, and you'd be set. nowadays you just get funneled into fucking reddit or some other shithole. and when you go out of your way to find """""alternative""""" sites, it's, yeah, just a bunch of late zoomies early alphas fucking around larping with the most surface-level aesthetics of a given timeframe, without any deeper appreciation of the condition that led to those aesthetics, as well as others, emerging. everything is condensed into some homogenised blob. so instead of getting your basketweaving sites you get a bunch of normies bitching on reddit or, god forbid, bluesky or spacehey or shit like that, going in circles about the same surface-level shit ad infinitum, all while posturing to each other, and it's just... it's just annoying, man.

anyway, tl;dr, start using gopher and usenet again and find a BBS or two that aren't moderated by losers. much more enjoyable experience.