Basically same as the title but here are 3 reasons as to why?

• Better Privacy (Eliminates user identifiers entirely, superior metadata protection and better encryption)
• Way simpler to use then xmmp and irc (ofc not as simple as ssh, you still use a gui)
• Imo It even has better support for images and attachments than XMPP, at least that's has been my experience.

I'm suspicious of these nu-privacy chat "apps". How does decentralization work on SimpleX? Is it some opaque crypto bullshit honeypot like Session?

>>12021
Magic

it has central relay servers for decentralization
https://simplex.chat/privacy/#conditions-of-use-of-software-and-infrastructure

Cahlen the wizard shilled it some time ago, ask him, maybe he knows about the magic behind it: https://cahlen.org/simplex-chat/

>>12023
>Conditions of Use of Software and Infrastructure
What a joke, that looks like some corporate product.
No thanks, we'll stick with true decentralized and uncomplicated solutions like IRC and XMPP.

>>12025

Have you even read any of it? Aside from minimal age of 13 bs, every other point is detailed explanation for operators to follow AGPLv3 license.

Good grief put some effort.

>>12027
If a software has the ability to do age verification it is shit tier.

>>12028

Wow this is how you put effort, this is how you judge whether a software is good or bad, this is how we are going to make the internet "better".

> If a software has the ability to do age verification it is shit tier

like what fucking age verification? there is no age verification, there is no verification at all, and that's the fucking point, i am genuinely starting to think you might be that under 13yo.

Also here some information as to why it has a license and age requirements (doesn't have any kind of verification to check it). The license is for the app "simplex chat" not the protocol simplex, there is difference between a protocol and clint application, both irc and xmmp are protocols, so probably the client you are using also have a license and conditions and shit, i hope it helps someone who is not not under 13yo.

The Simplex website has no download button for anything, so it does not exist, it is only some App on some Appstore or whatever.

>>12033

Idk man how you do this, This is going to be the third time i am going to say put some effort, the button is right there.

I'm on a computer, I found the download link already, hidden under "references" then download, but the executable does not work, now what?

Got it to work, it just pissed me off at first that they shove all this mobile Appstore links in your face and then also QR code and such stuff I have no idea what to do with. A software should primarily be software for a computer, not for phones, since phone users are not to be trusted, their phone might record anything they do anyway. It might be possible to install custom OS on a phone, but that will soon be over.

>>12114

Idk about Signal but simplex does not have centralized servers, also like i said the whole terms and services stuff is for the app and shouldn't the simplex being open sourced be a plus point?

> cy-x.net is open source, decentralized

Also in what way cy-x.net is decentralized? It's just a website and even forums like breachforums couldn't decentralize, i think you might have a misunderstanding about decentralized networks (unless you are talking about cy-x.net on XMPP), also i don't see any links to the source code but it doesn't matter cause its a website, all i am saying that cy-x.net should have bridge to a cy-x.net group on simplex, cause its better for decentralisation and anonymity, i hope this explains it and clears and confusion to anyone ;)

>>12140

God damn at this point. I think you might be part of that so called "digital cargo cult", if any mods is reading this, just banned this guy ip, not because he is bad or anything, its just that he doesn't understand anything, like he is desperately trying to not become a "normie", yet he doesn't even know that a website shows different contents on different devices, i am sounding like dead horse at this point but again put some effort the button is right there.

and this whole thing about Laptops/PC being better is also complete misunderstanding, it doesn't matter if you are using a laptop or a pc, if you are on windows then i would say its even worse than smart phones at this point, also you can run simplex on desktop very easily (it even has a cli version), like it shouldn't even be a problem, you can just use the package manager (if you know what that is), hell even windows have winget package manager now.

XMPP is good enough

>>12149
Calm down, I was just looking in the main menu and there was no download, I did not know in the very bottom right corner there is a little symbol.
A Computer is better regardless what you run, because a phone will always track you and your phone calls are listened to regardless of what you install on it, this does not happem with desktop ever, because it is not a phone.

>>12149
Calm down, I was just looking in the main menu and there was no download, I did not know in the very bottom right corner there is a little symbol.
A Computer is better regardless what you run, because a phone will always track you and your phone calls are listened to regardless of what you install on it, this does not happem with desktop ever, because it is not a phone.

>>12152

Man he really said it windows is better than android, i mean both are bad but a good android phone without any bloatware is 10 times better.

> A Computer is better regardless what you run, because a phone will always track you and your phone calls are listened to regardless of what you install on it, this does not happem with desktop ever, because it is not a phone.

What is a phone? A computer, "ohh it does not happens with desktop ever", for all you know there is backdoor in your cpu, man this is really naive thinking and do they listen to our calls? ofc they do, so what's the solution? don't make phone calls, the best way to check whether your phone (which is computer btw) is compromised is to use wireshark or for easy solution monitior your network with Pi-hole or AD Guard Home

> Calm down, I was just looking in the main menu and there was no download, I did not know in the very bottom right corner there is a little symbol.

Ohh so you could see all those mobile links but not the windows and linux icons as to your prior reply, honestly downloading a software should not even be a problem for guy who is so concerned about privacy.

>>12156
>a good android phone without any bloatware is 10 times better.
For watching TikToks and playing Candy Crush?
>What is a phone? A computer
With a locked down bootloader and a shitty touchscreen that encourages passive content consumption and low effort posting?
>there is backdoor in your cpu
And how often is it used?

A smartphone is not a computer, it is a phone with a castrated computer added. I mean maybe you can get it as safe as a computer by removing everything that makes it a phone, but that would require probably some angle grinder or so opening the case and removing the spyware hardware and at that point you might as well just use a regular computer.
Maybe computers have spyware in them, there is some probability that is higher than zero, but in a phone the probability is basically 100% and I chose the statistically better option.

And sorry for not finding the download link, my subconsciousness filters out everything that is called "App" and those QR codes people send me as I have no device to use them. The site is just badly designed, because its one of those scroll sites and once you scrolled the small direct link icons are gone, from then on you need to find downloads under "references" which is a weird category I never saw anywhere else so I ignored it.

>>12162

> For watching TikToks and playing Candy Crush?

Dude tf are you talking, what i said was in context of default trackers and privacy, ofc you can't code on a smart phone.

> With a locked down bootloader.

Idk about you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but i have custom a ROM and TWRP recovery.

> shitty touchscreen that encourages passive content consumption and low effort posting?

Who tf is telling you to use like that, like you can ultimately use it however you want, can't you?

> And how often is it used?

No backdoor is often used, it doesn't matter if its Linux, Android, Windows or etc.. They only use if they suspect something that is hurting them.

>>12165

> A smartphone is not a computer, it is a phone with a castrated computer added. I mean maybe you can get it as safe as a computer by removing everything that makes it a phone, but that would require probably some angle grinder or so opening the case and removing the spyware hardware and at that point you might as well just use a regular computer.
Maybe computers have spyware in them, there is some probability that is higher than zero, but in a phone the probability is basically 100% and I chose the statistically better option.

That is the one of 100 most retarded thing I have ever heard, so congrats 👏

"but in a phone the probability is basically 100% and I chose the statistically better option."

Do you realize it is way easier for them to put a backdoor on intel and amd cpus than on arms chips cause many company's make arm chips but even that aside smartphone being better wasn't even the point, the point was windows being worse for privacy by "default" right now and you can check that with wireshark, also Android have different flavors, so they result may differ.

> And sorry for not finding the download link, my subconsciousness filters out everything that is called "App

Again this whole subconscious not finding is also bs, cause at the end of the day, aren't you using a some stupid app to do a x thing?

> QR codes people send me as I have no device to use them.

For the love of god, do you realize that there is something called a "link"

Also you should stop downloading apps from websites, i agree that some small percentage of people like you may have found it difficult to download app from the site, so the thing i would recommend is to learn your OS package manager, which is way privacy focused and efficient way to install applications, and i am also sorry for the way i lashed out cause to me doesn't make sense someone having problems downloading an application.

>>12169
I have no idea about custom ROMs, I do not trust anything on phone, Android will become locked down in 155 days https://keepandroidopen.org/ so enjoy it while it still lasts.

Backdoors are usually used all the time, what is the point in having a backdoor, if it is not used? Most smart devices collect all data by default and then send it somewhere to someone, so of course there is no need for a backdoor, because everything that can be spied on is already spied on by default.

Regarding packet manager Simplex is in some custom repo, it is not that easy.

But this forum thread is about if Simplex is good or not, not how to install it.

It is not yet reviewed on shadowiki https://shadow.lifestyle/im.xhtml
The only two approved Messengers remain to be IRC and XMPP

As far as my experience with SimpleX chat has gone, it seems that it relies heavily on it's centralized servers to discover other users. when I want to share my contact with someone, my user ID (or address as they call it) is not on a decentralized server of my choice like when using XMPP, it has a single repeated domain or subdomains that can be attacked and used to provide decoy accounts.
> https://smpN.simplex.im/a#<Gibbrish>
This single point in design can be the downfall of the whole protocol if we call it a protocol, I would respect it if it achieved the smp://<user_id.chat> level which then it becomes a great tool just like tor, i2p ...etc.
it's still better than whatsapp and telegram, but not better than XMPP and IRC.

Retroshare uses several websites by default to find users IP adresses, but you can disable that and use each other to discover other users, but for that at least one user has to always be online.
Software that really cares about privacy and freedom should give you an option to host your own server and an option to disable that feature alltogether.
With XMPP and IRC you can host your own server, but it is not actually easy to do, the only program I know where it is easy is mumble, where you just launch the executable and your own server is online.
Especially since smartphone users are basically always online I see no need for a central server, if you have a bigger friends list you could even use each other as server, so that no outside connection will ever be made.

>>12170

> Most smart devices collect all data by default and then send it somewhere to someone, so of course there is no need for a backdoor, because everything that can be spied on is already spied on by default.

And most windows doesn't? man you don't still understand what i am talking about, after explaining so many times, i have mention it literally 2 times already, now it is the third time i am saying, just use wireshark for god sake 🙏 and see how much data is actually being collected by DEFAULT (results may differ depending on the phone).

> Backdoors are usually used all the time, what is the point in having a backdoor, if it is not used?

Again this goes completely against logic of a reasonable mind, just why would they use backdoor all the time? Wouldn't that make way more likely for it to be caught? Backdoor keept for people who actually threatened their existence not for normal people, for all we know there is they can RCE through Intel management system but it's probably not used very often.

> It is not yet reviewed on shadowiki https://shadow.lifestyle/im.xhtml

Jesus Christ, is it really that hard to do research by yourself? Like this guy isn't going around and reading the source code and making this list, all he is doing is looking whether the software is open source or not, is it decentralized or not? And maybe checking all the connections that the software makes through Wireshark (4th mentioned) and past reputation, and IRC is not even decentralized but all of that aside do you really need approval of fucking "shadow wiki", i mean nothing against the guy he's work is decent but man considering how much you care about decentralized and anonymity, you should be well equipped with the knowledge to judge software by your self and so far there has been no valid criticism you have made at all, all i have seen from you is "ohh downloading problems, age verification, QR code, AGPL BAD"

All of which turns out to be complete bs as i have explained in my previous replies.

A desktop computer does not have a microphone or a camera build in, so regardless of what you install on it, it will not record you and take pictures of you.

It also is not capable of wireless connection to the internet, you need to plug in a cable, so if you do not want to, you can prevent data being send.

When you have a cable you can run Wireshark and see what is being send, with a mobile phone you actually would need a device that can intercept wireless communications to really check what is send.

Also a Desktop Computer does not track your location whereever you go, since it does not come with you.

Maybe Windows also requires an internet connection now to work, but no idea I have not used it in a while. Anything from Microsoft or Apple should not be used. Windows is actually superior to Linux in some ways for example it having a firewall. In the past it was also common to have a separate firewall installed on WIndows so you could control every internet connection for every program, but most of those firewalls have been discontinued.

>>12183

I think your understanding of how simplex works might be completely flawed because simplex in every way is better than XMPP and difinitely IRC.

> it seems that it relies heavily on it's centralized servers to discover other users.

That is completely wrong, i think your issue might be related to this issue, you can create use your own domain name for sharing your account as explained in the docs, there is no global ID for account sharing or no central register or anything.

>>12224

> A desktop computer does not have a microphone or a camera build in, so regardless of what you install on it, it will not record you and take pictures of you.

Well it doesn't matter when Microslop is actively pushing to record your screen, does it? And most motherboards have built in wifi card now days, this Desktop vs Phone wasn't even my point, my point was default trackers on Windows vs Android, there is no actual point in comparing features of smartphones and a desktop pc because they are made for different use cases

> When you have a cable you can run Wireshark and see what is being send, with a mobile phone you actually would need a device that can intercept wireless communications to really check what is send.

it is so easy to setup your own VPN and then route your phone network through the VPN and the capture traffic on server end (which is what i do now) but the most easy way is to probably turn your laptop or PC into wireless access point or you can root the phone (which what used i to do)

> Anything from Microsoft or Apple should not be used.

I completely agree with this, the same goes for Android but with android you still have lot of choice, with different manufacturers, different chip makers, different phone makers with different roms and privacy settings, the whole rom/rooted android scene.

>>12228
What is the point running a computer to then route your phone through it why not use the computer directly?

>>12230

Tf you mean?? You don't run wireguard??? No self hosting?? No pi hole???

Bro do you really care about privacy or are you just pretending to care cause its cool and you think you are fighting the matrix??

In what world are you living? everyone is who actually care about privacy is probably like me running their own dns server and probably routing all of their devices network traffic through Wireguard or Tailscale (yeah ik Tailscale is corporate but i have used in the past and really i like their networking magic),

Damn i think i should stop this bullshitry, cause its getting tiring at this point, in this whole thread the only guy who said anything worth noting was the guy who said "i think XMPP is good enough".

Just use XMPP , I don't give a shit anymore about joining niche little platforms when XMPP is a secure decent option that works and works well on multiple systems with various clients. It reminds me of the days of people hopping between Team speak , then Ventrilo ( Whatever that was called ) , Discord. XMPP is simple

After thinking about this thread.
OP Is either a glowie because he knows XMPP Is the better based option and wants us to join some potential backdoored app or OP Is a shill for the app , and yes I'd call it what it is.. a closed source phone app.

I will wait till some experts reviewed it like shadow wiki or so.

>>12284
For voice conference software mumble is the best option, but you have to trust the server hoster, since theoretically he could run modified code.

Idk i see lots of "experts" recommending it:

• Comparisons of messaging apps by eylenburg
• Security review by Trail of Bits
• one of whonix wiki recommendations
• OPSEC Bible recommendation

First link is dead and those are not real experts from the internet.

>>12308
First one is "https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm" my bad

> those are not real experts from the internet.

Holy f and shadow god damn wiki is?
whonix and OPSEC Bible are well respected and trail of bits are literally do cybersecurity research firm, meaning these guys actually have j*b and skills then some "shadow wiki".

Here is a summary of what happened in this thread:

> Abdul Lateef Jandali himself (a.k.a Steve jobs) makes a proposal
> Retard kid makes retard clams without any knowledge
> And Steve jobs being Steve jobs does what he does the best.

Honestly this whole thread is pathetic but i do think retard kids are ruining The Cyberix Network experience and mods should start banning retards like they used to do, otherwise Cyberix will just turn into another forums filled with retards.who just argue all the time and have nothing good to offer.

>>12307

Also the link for whonix is wrong, the actual link is: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Chat#Recommendation

Do you know why people prefer XMPP over other programs? Because it's stable, well-documented, and highly compatible across a wide variety of server and client implementations within the protocol. It has a solid user base. In short, it's a pretty mature technology. And all these newfangled P2P messengers, there are just way too many of them. And to make matters worse, they aren't compatible with each other, which is why they don't have a large user base, there's no one to chat with on such a messenger. Plus, it's still unclear how long they'll be supported, because they were essentially created very recently and are still in their infancy. It's possible that the developers won't keep working on them. They'll just get tired of it, and that's a common problem in the FOSS community. XMPP has been around for 20 years and will be around for at least that long. Once they come up with a universal protocol for all these P2P messengers, then go ahead and start a thread. But another rehash, nobody gives a shit about that.

>>12345 I read up on this SimpleX of yours. Turns out it's not even p2p, but a client-server software suite. So I'm sitting here wondering why everyone is shiling this reinvented wheel? Because their metadata protection features can be implemented in XMPP, since it's a very flexible and extensible protocol.

> Unlike federated networks, the server nodes do not have records of the users, do not communicate with each other and do not store messages.

Now this I believe, I believe every bit of it, yeah, I'm sold.

>>12347
> metadata protection features can be implemented in XMPP
The more feature rich clients let you minimize the metadata you send in the settings alone, and if you're really trust-nobody-paranoid you and your friends could talk only on your own i2p server, implemented on a device under your physical control.

>> 12310

After reading this thread, it kind of seemed familiar to me but then i remembered this is kind of bullshitary/Lack of knowledge nihilist1 talked about in The OPSEC Bible, The lack of knowledge here is fucking crazy, retards who act in bad faith have taken over the forum and people who has actual knowledge are leaving, that's the actual truth of The Cyberix Network as of now.

http://opbible7nans45sg33cbyeiwqmlp5fu7lklu6jd6f3mivrjeqadco5yd.onion/opsec/whytheblog/

simplex is centralized shit and shouldnt be used. read their policies. its really THAT easy.

>>12366

This retard is losing hes mind

>>12367
It is legitimate criticism, when it is centralized they can see who is communicating with who and in the end all boils down to "trust me bro"

>>12368

Is it legit criticism when you are making it up?

>>12020

SimpleX Chat was initially released on January 12, 202.2. That's about 4 years old. That's far from battle-tested status compared to IRC, XMPP, Mumble, and SSH, which are all completely decentralized protocols you can spin up on a box in minutes, and they've been around for over two decades.

I do not see anything that we would gain from having a SimpleX server.
>Better privacy
You can't get more private than joining IRC or SSH over Tor and seven proxies.
>Eliminates user identifiers entirely
Our XMPP server already has occupant JIDs turned off.

>Way simpler to use then xmmp and irc (ofc not as simple as ssh, you still use a gui)
XMPP and IRC have GUI clients as well and using them is as simple as opening a menu and typing in the server address.
And of course, you can SSH into the chatroom immediately with the terminal of your choice.
If simplicity and quickness is what you need, then you should just use SSH.

Better attachments? Maybe. But are those attachments stored on the server or the centralized relay?

Speaking of: I don't like the idea of a centralized relay at all. SimpleX isn't providing anything new for us anyway and we aren't missing any features because they're already being covered by the 4 services we already have running. So no, I think it'd be best if we held off on this.

>>12377
Based admin BTFOing bandwagoner jeets/zoomers.