Yes, I will convince all my online friends of over a decade to migrate to something else.
I remember when shitposting was reserved for idiots. I remember when being anonymous didn't mean you could just go around offending and disrespecting everyone. You could usually tell who was a kid or just plain dumb by the way they engaged with others online.
The 2000s boom brought a lot of Millennial kids into IRC, XMPP, MSN, forums… slowly learning about the internet from their Windows or MacOS computers. But it also brought a lot of trolling. Unsupervised and unleashed, Gen X and Millennials built the internet as we know it today. No single generation is ultimately to blame for the state of things — we all either accept or reject ideas as they come.
In the end, it's obvious that new generations want to experience times gone by. That's natural curiosity (“Wow! Things were so different back then? I wish I'd been there to see it myself”). I wish I could have lived through different ages of human civilization too, but the closest I can get is going to a reenactment: medieval fairs, Egyptian-themed parties, Victorian high-society events, and so on. What we have left are the aesthetics — we can't actually live those times.
I think OP is pointing at something deeper than they realized. We humans are extremely visual. We're drawn to videos, images, decorations, ornaments, artifacts… so it's no wonder newer generations try to relive the past. And that's OK! Who cares if it's not perfectly accurate? It doesn't matter. Those who actually lived through those times can remember, reminisce, or write about them for the future.
The toxicity between generations, I think, comes from how people deal with change. Some are born into it, others adapt, and others reject it outright.
OP — opinions are just that: opinions. The way you see the world is yours. The way we all see the world is ours.
Big love to everyone here.
The thing i hate the most about Zoomer "retro" websites is how they don't really have any content in them. I could wager that like 70% of Neocities pages basically contain
>the main homepage full of the same kawaii gifs and wacky artsy 88x31 buttonz!!!1!
>an about me page
>an art gallery that eventually gets dropped and just redirects to the artist's xitter
>a blog about videogames or complaining about your job or the school system, that gets abandoned after two months max (and with no RSS feed)
>a list of links (mostly just their friends' sites, other pretty popular neocities pages or pretty surface websites)
>a contact page (social media shilling, maybe a personal e-mail they never read if you're lucky)
I get that decades of social media has molded most of the internet into consumers who don't remember a lot of what went into creating websites worth a damn. But man, most of them either end up as glorified carrd/strawpages from the start or end up feeling like even more of abandoned voids than actual abandoned Geocities pages from 2006.
Good article, liked how you talked about how people don't really understand why older stuff was "better" but partially falls flat where you seethe about how it's le zoomers fault that internet culture died (but I will say that discord chat screenshot is genuinely pathetic so I can't blame you here). Shit like XMPP stayed obscure because they got rugpulled by their own major backers and no one wanted to pick up the pieces until Discord ate everyone's lunch and lured zoomers into their walled garden. But back to internet culture dying (more like going into hibernation really, this site is proof that it isn't fully dead), it's a travesty, and a lot of people are trying to live in both worlds without realizing that the corporate web and internet culture are mutually exclusive.
how cute. retarded zoomer larping as a "le ebin oldefag millenial" who thinks that """"self-hosting"" is the norm back in the day.
umm no, sweaty...self-hosting wasn't even the norm back in the day, either. only the most geeky of nerds would self-host, or at least had their own Geocities page (thats not a typo, btw. not to be confused with Neocities, btw). most normies back then are just like most normies today, they wouldn't give a shit.
but we get it, you're SOO tech literate and you're not like other teens your age, you self-host your shit, and you're so damn proud of it. as if its the peak achievement of your lifetime. you're also probably brainwashed by old cyberpunk media and literature, you think that the 90's were full off edgy hackers in trenchcoats, and all the teens had their own servers in their bedroom. it makes you think that you were born in the wrong era. but sorry sweaty...the 90's were sure cool, but not THAT cool.
"The thing i hate the most about Zoomer "retro" websites is how they don't really have any content in them."
Agreed. They're all style and no substance.
>umm no, sweaty...
Yet another underage faggot who wants to either derail the thread or yank someone's chain.
We can spot you people from miles away.
can the next article be about how "millennials" or whatever they are, can't behave themselves on more lenient and niche websites like this and can't help themselves from exporting their needlessly obnoxious, argumentative and edgy culture wherever they go, without even having the decency to provide lulz, based on these previous posts?
centralization mayhaps?
Who the hell brought all these butthurt 4chan zoomers here at the comments?
Nice article dude The issue with your complaints is that realistically reconstructing what used to be is basically impossible because of the convenience that the walled garden provides.
Yes, people did know how to use IRC, they were on average a bit more tech literate if they actually used the computer often, but that shit went away because easier alternatives were presented.
Archeological digs are fun, I agree. Reading into penis pump (irc trolls) made me realise just how much lost civilisation shit there was on the Internet. The reality is though, most of these people were products of circumstance. Just like the nigger porn raids of Zoom in 2020 during covid, this shit is not coming back because of the following reasons:
>the platforms are dead
even if you get a bunch of your buddies to talk on irc, you won't use it for anything else. it is also much less convenient for the average niggercattle to install or use than goycord, which is THE IM of today
forums died because of goycord. noone wants to spend 20 minutes registering on a forum for a ban appeal or whatever. noone wants to have to log into all accounts they have on individual forums and navigate them. goycord was a forum-like IM and everyone immediately troonsitioned to it BECAUSE it was convenient, because you had one account for everything.
>the culture is dead
Noone is going to call you a cock smoking nigger outside of niche cliques like the soyim, KF and the remnants of 4chan. Edge nowadays also attracts faggots who post child porn and gore, because go hard or go home is their mentality.
The people are fundamentally different and it is not coming back.
If you want to talk about the self host, privacy oriented mentality, this was never a mainstay of the internet. Self hosting was not that prevalent, dont kid yourself, and it was mostly something out of necessity which no longer applies for most people, hence it was unlearned by many and is now more niche than ever. Most people also dont give a shit that the ZOGman has their data, no matter how much they espouse these principles when convenience allows them, a-la the EU's pretty interesting privacy laws. (big gubmint will change shit for me, the corpo will have to comply, my convenience remains)
>convenience always wins
why do you think things got centralised? aside from requiring some accounts for basic communication and/or work (snowball effect) it was easier for the niggercattle to use these websites over twenty million various forums and et cetera. You can even see how facebook, which is less convenient and more cluttered got ditched for instagram, tiktok and whatnot. It is easier to lap up slop from one trough than to spend hours on end searching for it in the shithole of the Internet.
>windows is kang
The reason why so many people stick to windows is that it just works, and it is nigger proof. Windows is written by thousands of paid pajeets to have negromancer level ECC and self repair to manage survival on even the most abused and neglected drives. It has safety rails to prevent niggers from fucking up their system. It is deliberately made to be as simple and dumb as possible so that anyone can use it. If your random normgroid installs linux, which is made by corporations that do not give a shit about desktop on one side and by unpaid trannies that do it for free (with quality matching that) on the other.
Windows is compatible with video gaymes, which people want to play, with old shitty software that often comes up and has to be installed for one specific reason or another, its rot is relatively graceful and slow as compared to linux's. There is literally no alternative to windows unless you want to spend time learning linux, which is outside the reach of a normalnigger.
>noone cares about privacy
Yes, the ZOGnigger has your data. Congratulations, he knows what you jerk off to. At the end of the day, principles are often discarded for convenience and this is no surprise. The realistic reply to that concern about college spying at the beginning is to suggest telegram or another more niche IM, not self hosting XMPP.
>its a cargo cult
No shit, but what would you have these kids do? There is not enough of them motivated enough to actually recreate the ecosystem that made this culture possible. No, two irc cliques of 20 trannies each that die in a month do not an old internet make. None of their buddies will go on irc anymore. The knowledge of using these services and systems is gone from the minds of the normgroids, and asking them to relearn it is a tall ask.
Yes, call these kids out all you want. But the reality is, playing in the rotting entrails of the old internet is quite literally the only thing they can realistically do.
>>convenience always wins This, came here to write this. OP does not understand software marketing. Even if this forum and the other means cited were shilled everywhere and captured every dissatisfied living soul alive today, it wouldn't ammount to 5% of internet users and social media would still be king. Most of the people who use the internet today don't make their life spin around it like most here, me included. They have jobs and family and they want to post about it, they'll use whatever service that lets they do it with the least amount of knowledge required. They don't want to learn or simply don't care. In fact, most internet users today don't know what a computer is. Look up device trends. Jews won because they were destined to, we cannot do anything but look for our own arses when the government starts tightening the chains.
This is ultimately what happens when Eternal September takes its course and every single fucking child and every single fucking third worlder is given cheap internet access without anything stopping them from shitting up the places where the first world adults reside
Being mad at zoomers is lame and nostalgia is sense of loss placated by materialism
not even mad at OP
I'm nostalgic for having relationships that felt real, with (You) anon can not look away at phone because businessmen/employees were the only ones who could afford/see the point in one
i don't think you need to have experienced the old world to yearn for it's promises, which are spouted by yourself i do think it's good that kids are realizing something is wrong - but don't expect the kids to do the thinking
I don't use Reddit and Discord (why do you, OP?) so I didn't know about this stuff. I did know about HeySpace and Neocities which basically have this problem. Yeah, those people are irritating. I don't like personal sites designed to be visually cluttered, hard to read, and typically just a list of someones favourite anime/music/movies as if anybody cares. The HeySpace roleplaying in the text is even worse as well.
But are they harmful? It's quite easy to ignore after all.
>The old internet is dead, and zoomers killed it by turning it into a fashion trend.
This implies that zoomers playing dress-up are the reason the Internet is centralized, which is silly. It was already dead. This isn't anything more than the cycle described by McLuhan, that new technology creates the nostalgia for the old. Industrialisation created the conditions for romanticism and appreciation of nature that didn't exist before. To a less profound extent, this is what happens here: a nostalgia for the recent past of media has been caused by our radically different current media, all part of an inevitable process.
We can continue to focus on our own business, doing as we do and encouraging others to actively participate too.
I don't appreciate any of these doomsayer posts. Why should we care if this is a small scene? Why do we want a large audience? We can work for the few who care, and be satisfied with that. And so what if some people act superficially? That will always happen. If you get mad every time it happens, you will always see red. Best to get over the fact that people are superficial, as well as stupid, insincere, antisocial, acting in bad faith, lazy, etc. etc. and get on with doing what you want to actually do.
I find the claim that "zoomers" killed the internet somewhat bizarre. Which generation were the primary users of the internet while it was dying? What generation do the tech CEOs that were in charge of the stultification of the web hail from? You're claiming that the first generation raised on a dead web were somehow retroactively responsible for the aforementioned death. Beyond this, you're engaging in a very similar routine as the zoomers you hate, being that you've created shibboleths out of "self-hosting", and "decentralization". How do these things lead to a superior web? You've taken some aspects of a version of the internet that was superior, and then claimed that they were the aspects that lead to it's superiority without any backing to this claim. The "old internet" had way more illegal content than the modern internet does. Do we know that this wasn't the reason for it's superiority?
I get being pissed. I hate clicking through endless "sign in with google" or "create an account to see anything" that the internet has become.
How could zoomers do that? Looking at any half-decent neocities page, their "personal site on the interwebz" is all just filler with no actual content. They gained sentience after the internet had already lost both engines.
Zoomers are just the scapegoat, the last kid with their hands in the cookie jar of corporate convenience.</em>
>"sign in with google" or "create an account to see anything" that the internet has become.
PHPBB forums are faggot shit. If you aren't cooking up your own forum software you are not a real webmaster
Aw man, I can't believe I, a zoomer, ruined old internet nostalgia. Apologies for my entire age group's digital hallucinations and please continue to practice your ageism unto us. Always here's my old internet frutiger aero styled gif that is actually an outdated and terrible standard that people should've moved on from.
Have ya ever stopped to consider that maybe this "resurgence" is only happening to distract from - your points - the fact that the early internet was cool because of decentralization.
This zoomer "resurgence" itself is a fucking manufatured trend, all there to dazzle this next generation into thinking independent internet was clitter gifs.
You're punching down and blaming the kids who were just duped by the real people you need to be pissed at.
>>52683 Informing them of the problem is the first step to solving it. If all fruitnigger zoomers realized the flaws in their philosophy, they would fix it right up and encourage others to do the same.
