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l-i ## MOD - Tuesday at 18:08:05 #50939

Noticing that the forum's become pretty stale quickly, and everyone who was posted last month or so practically dropped out all at once. I can't help but correlate this with the small dip of activity from me and @admin while the forum overhaul was in the works.

So, I have two questions:

1 - How can we bring these old users back? Are they even aware of the enhancements we've made?

2 - How can we bring new blood into the site?

3 - How can we truly begin to start a cohesive and dedicated community whose motives and dedication are based off of the shittiness of the modern Web and unwillingness to settle with ticking timebomb sites managed by underaged children trying to larp like "the old internet was soooo quirky and full of glitter" who inherently reinforce the very problems that led to the current state of the Web in the first place?

4 - How difficult is it going to be in order to encourage newcomers to the idea of dropping all other websites and services in exchange for Cyberix?
^ This is what I plan to do, eventually. The only way I shall interface with the Internet will be through The Cyberix Network and only through sites that I deem are strictly useful and important for the information that they may wield.

Let me all know what you think. I have the following ideas:

1 - Try to start trying to advertise on 4chan and other chans.
^ Someone has been doing this for us, but archives say it's very erratic. Having a dedicated "colonization" effort would be helpful given that whenever it's posted, it often gets deleted in less than an hour and is widely ignored, or met with backlash
(Can we also stop fucking posting about Roblox and nothing but Roblox?? There are other things you can do here except obsess over a pedophile game)*.

2 - Begin actually trying to integrate with webrings
^ I tried doing this myself but then noticed that most webrings required some kind of javascript to function. At the time I didn't realize that I could just externally load JS from a file but I also don't fucking like unneeded JS. My solution will be to create a dedicated Webrings page which will contain both raw HTML and Javascript to satisfy these problems without clogging the front page.
This is a good long-term solution, especially if we manage to shove ourselves between the more bigger webrings, like Lainring and Agora Road.

3 - I don't actually have any other ideas outside of technological terror against innocent zoomers. Let me know if you have anything that isn't that.

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yp22 - Wednesday at 13:55:16 #50945

Apologies, I am kind of bad at English. I have a limited vocabulary, despite watching videos with words I don't know yet still understanding them.

Anyway,

Here's what I wanted to discuss:

Regarding point 1 (trying to bring back old users), I don't think they were going to be very active anyway. They were just going to make a few posts and not talk much after that.

This site is supposed to be the future of discussing Roblox-related topics, but here's the thing:
Not many people talk about Roblox here.

So, the forum that's supposed to be the future of Roblox discussions, similar to the Roblox developer forums, doesn't have many people talking about Roblox?

We need more Roblox-focused content, like posts about game development and tutorials. This forum could be an alternative to the terrible Roblox developer forums, where posts about the Roblox engine using more memory than before would be considered "off-topic" and removed.

Thanks for reading! This is my take on the problem of the site's lack of growth and stagnation, as well as the lack of new users, and how to fix it.

TIME TO PUT THIS INTO A TRANSLATOR TO ENHANCE THE GRAMMAR (IT TURNED OUT GOOD)


yp22 - Wednesday at 14:46:29 #50946

Wait a second I got the mod role now?


Cobson - Thursday at 11:49:20 #50949

Zoomers aren’t setting up websites to larp as oldfags, where do you get these ideas from? I get that you’re in your 30s or 40s but being this out of touch is quite remarkable.


l-i ## MOD - Thursday at 12:33:32 #50950

>Zoomers aren’t setting up websites to larp as oldfags, where do you get these ideas from? I get that you’re in your 30s or 40s but being this out of touch is quite remarkable.

That's surprising, given that there are entire communities dedicated to reviving old versions of big corpo websites solely because it was what they used as a kid and not because of anything else. Outside of websites, there are people who are dead set on trying to make the latest Windows version skinwalk as 7 or 95-2K (and it's certainly a sight to see as they don't actually use Win32 to accomplish this 90% of the time).

Take a look at the following links:

https://userstyles.world/search?q=old
https://www.reddit.com/r/oldrobloxrevivals/
https://www.reddit.com/r/oldyoutubelayout/
https://www.reddit.com/r/FrutigerAero/
>Top post from r/FruitigerAero - "I was born a Windows 7 person"
>Windows 7 released in 2009
>OP is at minimum 15 years old

https://www.eracast.cc/
>lets host 2016 youtube i feel so nostalgic for 2016 because i just do
You don't see any "old 4chan" mockups every 5 months, do you? I haven't.

https://yesterweb.org/
https://wiki.melonland.net/yesterweb
^ This melonland site has their own forum which I believe actually takes my original point and overdoses it on crack cocaine. Take a close look:

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There's also the Agora Road, which, while they do have an extensive webring, I have to call out their shitty website:
https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php
It slows my browser to a crawl. Their site's styling looks as if they're trying to mimick basic HTML table structure, but in reality, it's all Jabbascript.

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>This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.

Yeah, I don't think I'll be falling for that. Ultimately it's just Xenforo with a "retro" theme slapped on top of it, so there's nothing to really bring home about in regards to the site itself. I barely looked around before I clicked off.

Don't forget about the entirety of NeoCities, which can be absolutely chock full of this kind of glittery gif spam, too.
Perhaps you have some alternative opinions on what's going on here, or you've seen things I haven't, but it really seems like these people are trying to take things from decades prior and pervert it into some kind of sludge that will never truly represent what it actually was for the sake of ill-gotten nostalgia.
They're failing miserably at this. Rather than carefully observing, looking at archives, looking at the mountains of legacy Internet information that can easily let you in on how software was developed, communities were built, and so on..

They would rather try their hardest to rip it out of whatever YouTube 'nostalgia compilation' video they saw that day and try to make it accommodate their modern life.. so to speak. You can't just pretend that you're 'nostalgic for the old internetz' when you sit on Discord as your primary online communication vector, paying for Nitro (and subsequently rewarding them for their centralization and privacy violating efforts) and only consume your content through massive conglomerates who will never go back to their olden ways..
And additionally, just to add onto that, why do these people think these large companies even cared about them in the first place? They were bad then and they will be bad now, with plenty of evidence and simple research that someone can find on their own to prove it. However, Zoomers will not know this information in the first place, because they were small children.

They will not care about that information, either, because LARPING matters more than being accurate to the source material, as long as they can be given affirmation from others for it.
They aren't nostalgic for any sense of community or gathering, they're nostalgic for when they were small children looking at shiny web icons. They don't appreciate the technological designs behind it nor do they desire to actually drop modern ones for the ones of old; They can only see the very surface of what they're after.


yp22 - Thursday at 17:54:32 #50951

>Zoomers aren’t setting up websites to larp as oldfags, where do you get these ideas from? I get that you’re in your 30s or 40s but being this out of touch is quite remarkable.

Gemson what are you on about I am not nostalgia cucking I am saying the reason this forum is growing is CAUSE it's supposed to be around roblox YET no one talks a lot about Roblox here there's avatar threads there's this and that but not a lot of actual roblox stuff

nvm he wasn't talking to me


yp22 - Thursday at 18:00:47 #50952

>That's surprising, given that there are entire communities dedicated to reviving old versions of big corpo websites solely because it was what they used as a kid and not because of anything else. Outside of websites, there are people who are dead set on trying to make the latest Windows version skinwalk as 7 or 95-2K (and it's certainly a sight to see as they don't actually use Win32 to accomplish this 90% of the time).

I am guessing you use > to reply but anyway

you forgot https://spacehey.com this is ultimate late 2000s larping


buildingaricecooker - Friday at 17:56:56 #50967

Gotta say, I took a look despite you shitting up /g/ and I just really don't know what the point of this forum is? Even less so now that I've read through a few threads. This seems like maidposting, i.e. achieving nothing while spouting a bunch of buzzwords and pseudo-philosophical ideas. Just vaguely hating on zoomers is nowhere near enough to build a community. The constant larping allegations also just feel like projection considering the state of this place.


l-i ## MOD - Friday at 18:05:52 #50968

Things are in the works. There's already a stable infrastructure built here, and only 3 weeks ago, prior to the forum overhaul, interesting and diverse topics were being discussed. There's more to this forum than hating on zoomers, and this is the only topic where that's even been mentioned.

Forums that are fresh startups are obviously going to lack in content. That's where your goal as the user is to introduce the forum to new ideas and new topics that haven't been discussed here, and this is something that should be easy for everyone to grasp.

I'm not the one shitting up /g/, but I'm quite aware of the silliness going on from it.


cum [Tor] - Wednesday at 07:02:11 #51665

you don't want the old users back
given the low quality, it's a bad demographic


Anonymous [Tor] - Wednesday at 09:19:17 #51672

I was in multiple "alternative", "revival", whatever communities and even started my own and I can tell you that about 80% of traffic you get initially are tourists who will never integrate let alone truly appreciate anything they're given

in order to bring in more users you have to build something original and unique, not an alternative to something people are already used to, and then you have to astroturf and run actual psyops because the kind of users you want to bring in would never check out a shilled website, instead you get a ton of tourists and MAYBE a couple of good users if they were bored enough to come, invites may also work but i haven't tried those

>How difficult is it going to be in order to encourage newcomers to the idea of dropping all other websites and services in exchange for Cyberix?
you can't influence what websites other people use


Anonymous - Wednesday at 11:29:55 #51681

>and then you have to astroturf and run actual psyops because the kind of users you want to bring in would never check out a shilled website

Can you provide an example since you already did this? Sounds like an interesting idea, but how would it be executed?


Anonymous [Tor] - Wednesday at 11:48:58 #51686

>you have to astroturf and run actual psyops
that makes no sense, why would you do that?


Anonymous - Wednesday at 11:52:33 #51688

>that makes no sense, why would you do that?
Regardless of whether or not the subject being advertised is actually malicious, people will ignore it or seek to hurt it by falsely labeling it glowies honeypot 90% of the time or accuse it of malicious intent one way or another


Anonymous [Tor] - Wednesday at 12:23:38 #51692

>see ad
>ignore


macrowave [Tor] - Wednesday at 17:41:18 #51696

>people will ignore it or seek to hurt it by falsely labeling it

put your brain in the microwave so your IQ goes above room temp holy fuck

just advertise to multiple sites, ez as dicks


LostintheCycle - Sunday at 08:07:59 #52133

I have an odd idea, let me know what you think. This feels like the most appropiate thread for it.
What about a new part of the thread list which shows five random non-active threads? I believe this could increase activity by having something "new" on the frontpage besides the most recent posts.


Anonymous [Tor] [DATACENTER] - Sunday at 12:02:53 #52138

> 1 - How can we bring these old users back? Are they even aware of the enhancements we've made?

> 2 - How can we bring new blood into the site?

Chill out. It's not about re-inventing MySpace right now. Once you set up an environment where a community can be cultivated, you'll get an active user base. Stop being so manic.

> 3 - How can we truly begin to start a cohesive and dedicated community whose motives and dedication are based off of the shittiness of the modern Web...

It's clear from your perspective that finding solace in the misery of others is what
you're after. You're miserable.

> 4 - How difficult is it going to be in order to encourage newcomers to the idea of dropping all other websites and services in exchange for Cyberix?

This is straight up deranged. See my previous point.

Creating a community isn’t about outshining one another. I value your dedication, but I believe you're approaching this incorrectly. Make this forum more transparent by open sourcing it, so that suggestions can flow more freely from everyone involved. The essence of this website must be the forum, not the articles.

The user interface is too minimal to take off. Keep the current approach of no JavaScript and no cookies while still trying to create a more modern iteration of the website. Agora Road does UI incredibly well, even if its ux sucks. If I were in your place, I would completely overhaul this place to balance both.

Take the time to explore what distinguishes successful communities from ours. Without such insight, this place won't have long to live. Create more boards. Consider branching out into specific sub-communities such as those focused on decentralized networking by creating an onion and an i2p for this site. This comes before even promoting the forum.


Anonymous [Tor] - Sunday at 12:07:10 #52139

Shilling to 4/pol/ right now, angle is something like "Tired of the shill and bait threads?" with the cy-x.net button image as the picrel.


l-i ## MOD - Sunday at 12:31:01 #52140

This is an example of the only downside of not having accurate dates. This thread is actually four months old or so and if I wrote it today, there would be a dramatic difference in what I had to say and propose. This thread was made even before the Cargo Cult article was created and while the forum still had the original Dark Metal layout (https://cy-x.net/settings).

>Stop being so manic.
>This is straight up deranged. See my previous point.
>Creating a community isn’t about outshining one another.
I agree with all of these. My perspectives and overall idea as to what Cyberix should be have changed significantly since this thread and the forum as a whole was initially created.

>The user interface is too minimal to take off.
This was a deliberate choice. I implemented site themes a week or two ago that I hope would solve this exact problem. I personally believe that minimalistic theme feels more coherent and unique than the last one we were using (which, along with even older themes are implemented and can be used right now). It should also be even more compatible with older browsers and technologies in comparison to the previous themes.

I've been leaning in more on the Connect section. I wish to make it more prominent. A previous suggestion in another thread essentially suggested that making Cyberix more focused on its liberated game server hosting and its unrestricted, bridged chatrooms might help make the place feel more homely and attract more people towards the services that only a small bit of us all seem to congregate in.


l-i ## MOD - Sunday at 12:32:19 #52142

>part of the thread list which shows five random non-active threads?
This is a good idea and should be easy to implement.


Goomba [Tor] - Sunday at 12:47:56 #52144

>How can we bring new blood into the site?
The spam posts in shit threads on other sites works great. Keep doing that. If you spam a kino thread everyone will hate you. If you point out the shit psyop with one hand and point to this site with the other people will react between understanding and relief.

Encouraging users to invite people they know works but can grow cliques faster than anything. Also the ones with the biggest impressionable social circles are children.

Every now and then you'll see a "this site is so shit but I don't know of any others" thread, posting here works but it attracts a lot of losers.

Remember that if you get baited into looking at a shit thread, the other people watching the thread are probably more similar to you than the average lurker.

Don't ever block Tor posting. Block attachments if you have to, not text posts.


admin ## ADMIN - Sunday at 17:36:57 #52219

>>52133
>What about a new part of the thread list which shows five random non-active threads?
This is a good idea and I will be implementing it alongside the other things slated to be in the next site update.

random threads list.png
random threads list.png

Here's my first concept for this feature. I don't like how it looks visually, and I am contemplating putting these random threads inside of the main topic table above the [ACTIVE] topics but giving them a [PROMOTED] tag. I'd suspect that it'd be easy to ignore these random threads if they were inside the topic table so I'll need to come up with another solution, soon.

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