Views

I think they don't fit for this format

if people want popularity metrics, they'll post on reddit.

total hits and unique visitors should also go imo.

it attracts attention whoring, and that drives away value.

it doesn't set this place apart, it makes it seem more bland.

and the contrast between the unique visitors (in the thousands) and the views that threads get (in the tens or hundreds) makes this place seem deserted, which is also discouraging.

I bet the majority of views are on the articles, and since article views don't exist or are separate from the forum thread views, thats where that contrast comes from maybe??

Although its a good idea to remove them.. I personally think they're useful to gauge whether or not anyone has seen my thread and thus possibly replied to it and helped further it

There are many forums without view counts and its easy to tell if they're deserted, too. Maybe the reply counts are the ones that do it the most, not sure, really. I don't really think I've seen a forum that doesn't immediately feel dead at a first glance.. Maybe some have the created at date with a thread that when you click on it has like 3 replies, so you subconsciously assume most threads are dead to begin with, even the newer ones..

Would removing all forms of recency and statistics rly help the site? i am retarded btw

hell yeah @admim can you atleast experiment with removing all forms of recency or statistics from the forum
this means:
NO VIEWS
NO DATES
NO STATISTICS
you see the title and who made it and that's it. dates and views removed from posts too

wait I think keeping the time of day and the day of the week for dates would work too maybe

"Friday at 08:30:02" for example

the joke is it doesn't tell you which friday

Not a bad idea. Will consider.

No metadata is good metadata. In any regard, allowing (rightfully so!) Tor clashes with the whole "views" feature, as anyone can generate fake traffic through the network.

Yeah. The fucking 4chan-tier Linux thread apparently gets hundreds of views almost every day and managed to get 2k views in such a short amount of time while the other threads on this site stay mostly double-triple digit.

I am definitely going to experiment with this. I think it'd be a genuinely good addition to the site, and plus it also gives me an excuse to work on some overdue missing features like RSS/Atom feeds for the site and the maintenance for the new storage devices I got

Going to start working on this veerrry sooon... I don't know when.. But sooon.. It's on my list. gotta figure out one more thing

I am on board with OP except for 1, if not 2, points. The most glaring point of all which I do not concur with is the "remove unique visitors" request. Such measurements are not unique to sites like plebbit/reddit nor tumblr. 2nd of all, and of lesser importance is how to approach said removal of # of views.

single digit view counts per day again :sigh:

Remove this fucking shit. It only makes us feel more lonely and this site more dead.

Getting to work.

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In my opinion views should be fine on replies but on not the OP which i think is probably the most balanced approach towards the issue but i'm also not entirely against the idea of removing views entirely which another anon stated
>No metadata is good metadata
In which i'm heavily in favor of. but i strongly believe we should attempt to achieve a balanced approach before putting it onto the chopping block.

I don't think it makes a difference, and also the numbers are actually pretty high, I don't understand how they seem low to anyone when your post gets dozends of views in a day

If anything this would make the place feel more dead.

Views by itself could be worse or not. Example with Piracy Sites like cs rus or something along the name of that.

The point is, views of itself as you said, is useless. However if you can't tell how many views a post has, then why does the user want to click it?

Let me know of your thoughts on this.

Mod section will be invisible to non-moderators.

I've always wanted to have a section to let people know whether or not a post was made with Tor or a VPN, though

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Oh, that wasn't that hard

[TOR], [VPN], and [DATACENTER].

This should not deanonymize people. The goal is not to deanonymize people.

The goal is to make it easier for people to easily be more confident in pointing out dishonest/malicious users who try to derail threads rather than contribute to them. It doesn't mean every poster with an IP anonymizer badge is bad, but it just means "hey, if this person seems to be acting like a jackass, they might be doing it on purpose".

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Considering this guide:

https://namelessrumia.heliohost.org/w/doku.php?id=on_leading_the_anonymous

>Ban evasions are a pain to enforce. Special pests might try to manipulate the discussion in order to make you look trigger happy, so consider showing that a proxy, VPN, or Tor was used.

This is a good step in the right direction.

Seems complete enough. Pushed to prod.

I overhauled a mod tool or two to make my life easier.
I can always revert these changes if they don't turn out too good, but I feel like this directly works for what I believe Cyberix represents and wants to be right now.

The fucking Linux thread is full of actor users. Every single person who stowed negativity and flame warred were using Tor.

These fucking trolls need to be eradicated. Thank you for adding this so I can more easily make the effort to determine whether or not I should respond to someone who might just be trying to get a rise out of me and other people.

I'm sorry but what the fuck is the point of not showing exact dates?? I'm coming here for a second time and I can hardly tell which threads and replies I've already read and which are new. That's terrible, even worse than those sites that show "X months/years ago" but not the actual day it was posted so you can never tell if it was before or after a relevant date. There's removing unnecessary metrics, and there's making things confusing and unintuitive by removing stuff just because it uses numbers. Please consider changing it back.

> I can hardly tell which threads and replies I've already read and which are new
You're reading too fast and not actually absorbing what's being posted. I can remember threads just fine.

This date idea is terrible who the hell thought of this.

Get the normal dates back again
YYYY/MM/DD
I don't want any of this crap with dates I can't tell apart threads that were made months ago and threads that were made yesterday .

I don't care if some idiot called the forum deserted \ dead I see new threads daily

> I don't want any of this crap with dates I can't tell apart threads that were made months ago and threads that were made yesterday .

That's a very valid point.

>threads that were made months ago and threads that were made yesterday .
You don't need to. Each thread is as equally ad valuable as the other regardless of when they were posted. It is about the content rather than exploitative metrics that end up killing a site due to user ignorance controlling what threads they look at and reply to solely because of things like date.

> You don't need to. Each thread is as equally ad valuable as the other regardless of when they were posted.

You might as well remove the date altogether, if that's what you think. But in reality, it can be useful to know when a thread was made.

>But in reality, it can be useful to know when a thread was made.
Show me a case on this website where not knowing when a thread was made was an active detriment to the conversation.

NTA but when the 4chan hack happened early this year and I was checking altchans to see discussion about it, there were threads still up in some of them talking about another hack that happened way back in 2014. If those sites didn't have dates, it would be very confusing as it would look like people were talking about the one that happened this year and saying a bunch of shit that made no sense.

This kind of overcorrective attitude does way more harm than good. People looking at this date system aren't gonna think "oh, I can't tell how old these posts are, I'll just assume they're recent and that the site is active!", they will think "why the fuck are there no dates? this site is retarded" and leave.

>It only makes us feel more lonely and this site more dead.
Dates make this ring even louder. There is no reason for Admin to add dates back into the public interface. Having no dates makes the site grow faster. Altchans are dead because newfags and effortposters alike look at the dates of threads and PPH and say "LOL DEAD SITE" and leave despite the fact that a website that has no posters will be dead and the solution to that is to start fucking posting.

The site has grown exponentially since Views and Dates were removed. People have been replying to threads that are months old and their responses are as valuable as if the thread was made yesterday.
Exceptions should obviously be made for things like the 4chan hack but there is no ideas that can fix it that I can come up with. Bringing the failure that is dates back will only kill the site.

>The site has grown exponentially since Views and Dates were removed.
That or it could be that it was added to allchans.org, a popular altchan directory, which is where I and likely a lot of other people found this site. Was that before or after dates were removed? Gee, idk, sure would be nice to have dates for that!

>>52515
>>52512
Valid point about old vs new thread confusion. Will be updating the system to show:

• Day + time for current week ("Thursday at 2 AM")
• Day + time for last week ("Last Thursday at 2 AM")
• Date + time for current year ("Oct 18 at 2 AM")
• Full timestamp for older years ("18-Oct-25 at 2 AM")

This will give chronological context when it matters (distinguishing 2014 from 2024 for example)
while still keeping recent content feeling fresh. Will also be monitoring how it affects
engagement patterns and adjust if needed.

Yeah, that sounds like a good compromise.

why did site activity fucking drop as a result of this. i swear to god I am not schizo but people seem to be posting less

It's only been five days. Give it another week