01:57 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <based> annoying brown faggot

01:57 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <based> lemme mute you

01:59 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > annoying brown faggot

01:59 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> you dont even know how to use the term brown correctly smh

01:59 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> ok kisu what other libertarian things do you like to talk about

02:00 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > ok kisu what other libertarian things do you like to talk about

02:00 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> economics but its not contrarian enough and people r too dumb for it

02:01 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> surely there's someone

02:01 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > ok kisu what other libertarian things do you like to talk about

02:01 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> libertarian ethics is just consent

02:01 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> what about economics specifically

02:01 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> the jews!

02:02 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> what about them

02:02 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > what about economics specifically

02:02 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> whateverr is the stupidest point i come across

02:04 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> ip law

02:04 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> IP law is ethics

02:05 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> ooh i remember based banned me from symlinx for talking about IP law

02:05 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> what if i say ip law is good

02:05 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> copyright

02:05 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > what if i say ip law is good

02:05 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> how come?

02:06 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> protects ideas

02:07 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> protects work

02:07 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> is the default positon not stopping people from doing what they please with their property? IP law is just a monopoly grant to not let others borrow from your ideas

02:08 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> what's wrong with that

02:08 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> its inefficient, anti-property and extremely exploitable by corpos

02:11 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> how so

02:12 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> it prevents others from using the and improving on the idea, incentivizes generating more and more ideas with workers to patent mine and prevents others from accessing their property how they please

02:14 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> so patent mining is the bad part?

02:14 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> what would be bad if the first person to discover fire had the only fire making loicense to generate more fire and sharp sticks? probably humanity going locally extinct in these places where its enforced

02:14 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> > what would be bad if the first person to discover fire had the only fire making loicense to generate more fire and sharp sticks? probably humanity going locally extinct in these places where its enforced

02:14 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> i'm not sure you can patent such a basic thing

02:14 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> what determines basic

02:14 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> idk patent offices whatever they're called

02:14 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> no one else thought of it before, how could it be basic

02:15 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > idk patent offices whatever they're called

02:15 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> seperate exection from the concept of patents

02:15 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> > no one else thought of it before, how could it be basic

02:15 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> it's a fundamental thing that happens

02:15 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> even naturally

02:16 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > it's a fundamental thing that happens

02:16 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> would swiping to unlock your phone not count?

02:16 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> what counts as patentable and not patentable

02:17 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> >> it's a fundamental thing that happens

02:17 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> > would swiping to unlock your phone not count?

02:17 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> someone designing that is an optional choice

02:18 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> either way no matter what is patented it prevents others from improving on the idea even by a little, it allows people to lock down hardware and software. it restricts information from being copied.

02:18 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> ok fair

02:18 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> the requirements are absolutely arbitrary

02:19 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <himejoshi> i don't have a response

02:19 [IRC] mb-bot: [discord] <wurzelnutzer> just violate patents anyway and submit your work in ways that prevent it from being properly destroyed

02:19 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> > [discord] <wurzelnutzer> just violate patents anyway and submit your work in ways that prevent it from being properly destroyed

02:19 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> based

02:20 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> but you cant really do that for a profit

02:20 [IRC] mb-bot: [discord] <wurzelnutzer> then it appears the solution is not to desire profit from that particular idea then, or receive profit through non-standardized ways the same way you submitted your work in an non-standardized way

02:23 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> but free trade is what creates value, you should be seeking to create more value for yourself instead of wasting time

02:23 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> Im sure even super famous repackers and crackers have barely made a profit on it

02:26 [IRC] mb-bot: [discord] <wurzelnutzer> that is true

02:29 [IRC] mb-bot: [xmpp] <Kisuuu> i mean the companies trying to fight it the most right now are like AI companies who are forced to remove copyrighted material they pirated bartz v anthropic being one example