I hope you held on to old systems because you'll need one in the near future to play with compilers at all. They won't be able to access the web (and soon the internet all together). But at least you can still build fun stuff with them locally.

The future is normalfags using dumb terminals talking to the cloud 24/7. GPL failed us. Should have never played along with their copyright/IP/patent game.

Linux is not "open source". BSD isn't "open source". It's all spookware. We should have never wasted so much time giving away code to these projects for free. I'm personally more into other more obscure OSs now. But good luck getting anyone else to use them. We really need a new kernel first then we can port over support for POSIX/NT/Win32/DOS shit later.

IF you do want to stick with Linux though it's still possible to build something from source that works and gives you a GUI without all this crap. But you'll find no one shipping a distro/binaries for that anymore.

Never 4get they had to murder Ian (Debian fame) to push systemd into the ecosystem. When they did that Red Hat/IBM/Microsoft/spooks locked down the ecosystem for good.

Linux will just be a compatibility layer for Microsoft in the near future. It actually already is but most people are too stupid to realize it.

Also I wrote this a long time ago. Maybe you're interested: http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2013-10.html#e2013-10-29T13_39_32.txt

>>4095
Here is their entire argument whenever they're called out. You're <insert name calling here>, or you're just old, or you're crazy. Never a coherent argument posted by people promoting this garbage. They can't argue in good faith because they know they're pushing Department of Defense spyware.

The only two goals of systemd are the following:
1) Provide easy back door into every Linux server/workstation
2) Leverage those systems to become nodes in their gay botnet.

I'm not explaining the details for the 9,000th time. There exists plenty of documentation and articles written by a wide variety of long time developers all over the internet. Who's wisdom and advice is always ignored.

They've murdered multiple people to push this garbage into the ecosystem over the last 15-odd years. The fact that they felt bold enough to blatantly murder my friend Ian Murdock then attempted to paint him as
>suicidal crazy person
really speaks volumes about the type of people we're dealing with here. All I did was write some guides and try to organize a few people around making a new distro+porting over some POSIX software to it. For that I got 4 spooks knocking at my door with 15 of their local attack dogs (sheriff's department) following them. Then I was denied the right to travel by airplane anywhere and now I'm not even allowed to leave my country. I'm now a "terrorist" because I dared to compile some software in a way they deem unfit to be shared with others.

For what it's worth: systemd is just the start of your troubles. You'll want to avoid dbus, policykit, udev, (e)logind, the built-in spyware in modern gnome/kde along with a bunch of other shit that makes up the modern "Linux distros". Yes even the "non-systemd" ones. Replacing PID1 with something that isn't systemd (e.g. runit/OpenRC) then pulling in half of the systemd repo (logind, udev etc.) is just as bad as running Fedora or modern Debian.

Oh and before anyone posts the usual lie again. Yes you can run a GUI (even a "modern" one based on gnome/KDE) without all this shit. I'm not talking about doing everything from console like a retard.

At worse if you rip all that shit I mentioned out (among other things) you'll just get some harmless errors getting thrown to console about this shitty software crying about not being able to talk to dbus. It'll still work just fine.

You will of course want to avoid things like anything that requires Rust compiler as well of course.

You can use older releases from before Rust/systemd/etc was pulled in. You can safely ignore most everything claiming it needs systemd/dbus/logind (it doesn't in reality and will compile/run just fine even today's release). None of the shit they're shilling as "security" is giving you any real security (e.g. wayland vs. X11). Most all of the stuff they shill against as being not secure is actually just as or more secure than what they're offering (gksudo vs. polkit for example).

There are some blogs and articles that cover most of this stuff. The gentoo forums used to have very active threads about this type of thing. That is before google/ibm got control over the political side of the project and banned everyone for posting wrong-think. Maybe you can find those old threads in the archives somewhere. There was a forum all the old timers fucked off to a few years ago but surprise surprise it got ddos'd off the web in short order.

You want an actual good service manager on Linux? s6. But for home use you probably don't need it. Since any collection of rc scripts is better than systemd. Anyone with half a brain is not running systemd on their systems because it only serves as a backdoor into POSIX systems. As we've proven over and over again but shills and bots will pretend none of it is an issue. You're a "schizo" if you notice.

My servers are all on Net/OpenBSD now because I got sick of dealing with it. My workstations are a split of Free/OpenBSD and s6+Gentoo. I keep flirting with the idea of building a new Linux distro based around s6+pkgsrc but every time I've tried to get anyone interested in helping the threads are either instantly slid or flooded with bots. Then I got a knock on the door. Faggots even follow me around to small boards with like 10 total users on backwater alt-chans. It's very obvious it's the same people every time because they're always angry as fuck and give themselves away.

I made the mistake of sharing what I wanted to name my new distro and the next day all domains with that name were purchased and re-listed for $2k+ each. It was not a common name and whoever did it bought up the name in every TLD. Must have had thousands of dollars to throw at it.

Honestly, they've basically broke me. I stopped caring about it since normalfags are retarded and won't use a better designed system even if it's obvious.

s6 is the best init+service manager available by the way. Nothing can get logging up as early as it can.

BTW we already lost the war at the hardware level so crying about stuff happening in PID1 is kind of moot at this point. TPM+UEFI=pwned.

Best of luck.

You will get nothing good from the Devuan people. They have been funded by shady interests and have done everything possible to stifle any progress for almost a decade now.

The problem is much deeper than PID1. It goes all the way down to glibc now I'm afraid. The entire stack can no longer be trusted.

>>4098
musl isn't much better in that regard

>>4100
Mind elaborating?

You seem to still have hope for linux, and that'll be your demise.
I personally consider any code that's too big for one person to understand as total spyware. If you don't understand it, don't trust it.
one shouldn't take his machines so lightly, you must be in commune with it, with knowledge of every switch of it or you will reap those mistakes, your life depends on those machines.

>Yes you can run a GUI (even a "modern" one based on gnome/KDE) without all this shit.
You know what, I think I'm autistic enough to try and do just that, but I have no idea where to even begin. Installing a non-systemd distribution is easy, but I don't know about the other stuff, do you have any tips/resources on it?