>Always based on latest Firefox ESR >All of the good shit from Firefox >None of the obnoxious telemetry or redesign shit from Mozilla >No useless AI shovelware "features" >No VPN promo shit, "experiments", or "recommended" extensions >Built-in preferences for those who want an even more toned down UI >Built-in ad-blocking on par with Brave's engine (which is 99.9% compatible with uBlock Origin), but completely optional for those want straight up uBO >Can still use encrypted media like widevine if you want, for stuff like Netflix and Hulu >Completely fleshed out vertical tab system Waterfox has come a long way, and now it officially mogs the shit out of Librewolf, IceCat, Floorp, Zen, Vivaldi, UG Chromium, and Brave (and utter trash that shouldn't even be mentioned, like Edge and Opera).
>inb4 horrifically outdated neocities shittery Kontos took full control a few years ago and steadily made this the perfect browser.
https://www.waterfox.com/releases/
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 09:52 [#6250][report] imagine using a browser shipped by some rando to do your banking
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 10:16 [#6255][report] >>19636 Primary developer is a skilled SWE and there have been thousands of contributors to the browser: https://github.com/BrowserWorks/waterfox/graphs/contributors
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 10:17 [#6256][report] >>19635 If anyone cares about privacy then fingerprinting is a real issue. Using something like waterfox is a bad idea. You should instead use firefox and couple it with a user.js file, this will make you less unique since there are definitely more firefox users out there than waterfox users. If chrome was passable for daily use and had something similar to user.js it'd be even better in that regard. But chrome keeps shitting the bed more and more with each update and google has put chromium into a shittification fasttrack so it's unusable.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 10:19 [#6257][report] >>19635 >based on firefox(gecko) >based on chrome(chromium) not a real choice
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 10:24 [#6259][report] >>19639 It doesn't seem like you know what having a choice means. Choosing one of two options is still making a choice. You can choose to use gecko. You can choose to use blink. You can choose to use webkit or presto too.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 10:26 [#6260][report] >>19638 This is an idiotic argument, and you can easily masquerade as vanilla Firefox.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 10:31 [#6262][report] >>19635 >Waterfox Is By Far The Best Browser Now It's not Opera 12 with presto engine, however.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 12:30 [#6308][report] >>19642 this is indeed the best browser, even today
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 13:43 [#6367][report] >>19635 Still using Waterfox since 2017 when they changed the UI and I didn't like it.
Still Just Werks for normies (something that Librewolf is incapable of due to it breaking websites) Still no AI BS or other shit Firefox bundles nowadays which I am only aware of due to seeing people posting about it here on 4chan lmao >>19636 Lmao I use it for banking and crypto without issues, unironically. Last time I reset my profile was 2022 by the looks of things, truly Just Werks (tm)
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 13:51 [#6374][report] I hated Firefox' performance with yt or videos in general comparing it to chrome based browsers. Is it good now?
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 14:13 [#6399][report] >>19635 used to use waterfox before dev sold it now ownership changed again - I returned to it on android on desktop I prefer helium
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 14:32 [#6403][report] >>19635 SnowFox would have been a cuter and cooler name. either way, Helium is better
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 14:40 [#6404][report] >>19638 Who cares? The days of interesting online browsing are quickly passing us by as governments keep passing more and more invasive legislation such as age verification at the OS level, and ID required to access the internet, etc.
The internet is becoming something you only use to do work, and in that spirit, you want a browser that gets the hell out of your way and lets you do work.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 14:44 [#6405][report] >>19648 If you don't know how to use a computer and access the web without age verification then you're in the wrong board.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 14:46 [#6407][report] >>19649 Retard. You won't be able to access the internet in that way 10 years from now. The internet you're referring to won't even exist.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 14:52 [#6412][report] >>19650 >You won't be able to access the internet in that way 10 years from now not if you have a two digit iq you won't
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 14:58 [#6415][report] >>19651 It won't exist. You'll be using an underground alternative, but it won't be the same
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 15:06 [#6419][report] >>19646 >ownership changed again Back to the original primary developer. He blahg'd about it a bunch: https://www.waterfox.com/blog/15-years-of-forking/ https://www.waterfox.com/blog/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future/
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 15:09 [#6421][report] >>19635 i would try it except the brave blockchain or whatever storing all my bookmarks and pw and preferences and stuff makes me unlikely to leave it. its just too easy to setup a new install and plugin the key words and its good to go. i don't like the ai shovelware, tempting
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 15:19 [#6427][report] until you use r3dfox. lot's of good shit. way better than waterfox
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 15:25 [#6430][report] >>19635 So this is the low level advertising campaign then. Mentions about 'waterfox' has been here and there on /g/. Just use librewolf, it's not owned by some corporation.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 16:13 [#6455][report] >>19656 Unlike Librewolf, Waterfox is led by a competent developer. It's not owned by "some corporation" either. It's owned by the person who founded the project (See: https://www.waterfox.com/docs/policies/company-information/).
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 16:21 [#6459][report] Just buy a fucking ad and stop doing this shill bullshit.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 17:02 [#6491][report] at some point years ago waterfox started running like shit and breaking every site so i just installed standard firefox and it just werks ever since.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 18:05 [#6534][report] >>19656 Been using it since it looked like this Back then /g/ had never heard of it
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 18:20 [#6544][report] >>19658 OP here. Why would I buy an ad? I'm a pleasantly surprised Firefox (on some distros) & IceCat (on other distros) user who tried Waterfox again recently and found it to be far more usable OOTB than both. Plenty of browser threads on the board every week.
>>19659 The years when it was operated by a shitty marketing company were obviously bad, and that's when I last tried it too. The OG developer regained control of the project 3 years ago, and I've been checking the changelogs on and off ever since. Finally gave it a go again last week under Debian, then Fedora, then Android. Sticking with it on most of my machines so long as the direction remains the same.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 18:27 [#6548][report] >>19642 Jesus, this takes me back. Switching to Chromium was a mistake.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 19:13 [#6568][report] >>19635 So instead of making vague claims and selling me on things LibreWolf already does, what are some actually tangible reasons for why I should switch?
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 19:31 [#6578][report] >>19663 >vague Nothing vague about the post at all. Word of the day in your ESL class?
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 19:35 [#6579][report] >>19636 banking? what are you a boomer?
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 19:36 [#6581][report] >>19645 >m-m-MUH PERFORMANCE literally the most negligible thing I have ever seen
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 19:36 [#6582][report] >>19635 Is it actually maintained now? I used to use it around 2018 and it was always lagging behind regular firefox quite significantly.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 19:37 [#6584][report] >>19636 jeets need to update their script this is done on your phone now
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 20:08 [#6605][report] >>19664 Will you address the question, retard?
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 20:43 [#6631][report] >>19635 I don't know if i should use Waterfox or Helium Just came out of Firefox because it was leaking ram like crazy and Helium is being pretty cool
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 20:45 [#6632][report] >>19652 dont be silly nobody can cockblock me the id verification is for these useless american gay websites like plebbit, x(videos).com and alike like do you morons not understand how the internet works? dont you have your own site?
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 20:59 [#6642][report] >>19666 If you're blind it's ok, but videos freezing, frames dropping, having to reload etc. on modern PCs ain't normal.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 21:28 [#6652][report] >>19645 How can you be functional enough to live and breathe and still be so dangerously retarded that you don't see the most obvious thing in the world? Google is fucking gimping Youtube for Firefox users because they are the last ones with a decent adblock. I even use Firefox on my phone and I have to refresh the site like 5 times and restart the browser for it to start playing the video. While every other site with videos plays instantly with that same internet connection. It's probably even possible to get better performance out of Firefox if you spoof your useragent and pretend to be Chrome. It has nothing to do with Firefox not having enough power to play videos, it's Google having too much power.
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 22:19 [#6684][report] >>19675 Th.. that's literally what I said anon...
Anonymous · 2026-07-10 23:29 [#6719][report] >>19667 I get a new update once a week? Enough that I ceebs restarting the browser to update it lol so weekly?
>>19645 >>19645 Youtube is indeed the laggiest website on Waterfox , but it isn't unusable, and it's the only site that does this. As such I believe this is intentional by YouTube devs As I said though I browse YouTube probably an hour a day on Waterfox and it isn't unusable, nor do I get laggy videos or something. Just when doing things like scrolling down comments heaps you can feel the engine struggling. I don't really know how Chrome handles this as I never use it for YouTube but I guess better? I also have 4 add ons installed that modify YouTube behavior so maybe that has something to do with it lol
>>19656 I'm not the OP, but as someone who uses this browser a lot for me and ffamily I do wish they had a bigger userbase as it ensures it will keep getting developed Ultimately over the next 10 years I hope Ladybird continues to grow into a stable alternative. Would be great to move off both Firefox/Chrome engines that are huge due to all the crap that's been bolted on over the last 25 years or so
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 00:54 [#6780][report] >>19671 >Just came out of Firefox just saw this thread, installed Helium. imported everything from FF. added Bitwarden and imported logins aswell. Works very smooth, especially youtube opens instantly with 3 game clients running. I love it. Only thing that i need to get used to is the active /inactive tabs confusing me...trying to fix it with a dark style theme.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 01:01 [#6789][report] >>19645 Get a better computer.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 01:24 [#6809][report] >>19635 >>19636 >>19637 >>19638 >>19639 i already have librewolf though
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 01:37 [#6823][report] >>19665 Underage coded post
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 01:54 [#6836][report] >>19660 I avoid knowing about trash.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 02:27 [#6866][report] >>19657 Elaborate on that, if you would. There's no difference I've found in maining librewolf except I have to unharden some surfaces for sites to work (and google) and the updater works a little differently.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 04:53 [#7009][report] This reminds me, what happened to Floorp? It was getting shilled on every Firefox thread and then nobody ever mentioned it again
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 05:03 [#7015][report] >>19685 I'm still using it.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 05:04 [#7016][report] What browser should I switch to, now that Brave shit the bed? I need it to support Apple's password manager, and able to watch hdr content
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 06:05 [#7045][report] >>19646 >>19647 >>19671 >>19678 >violently shilling your niggeriffic chromeshit in a firefox fork infomercial thread You will be penetrated by a horse and die from anal wounds before the year is over.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 06:07 [#7049][report] >>19687 >I need it to support Apple's password manager Safari you dumb faggot.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:03 [#7075][report] >Better than Zen Doubt But I will give them a chance again >Completely fleshed out vertical tab system If it doesn't have basic features like let me scroll through tabs with the mouse wheel, hide away the new tab button and hover over tabs to show and shrink them into favicons, all without touching userchrome, I'm ditching it right away, btw
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:04 [#7076][report] >>19635 >Always based on latest Firefox ESR Oh nvm I thought it was worth using
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:09 [#7078][report] >Completely fleshed out vertical tab system *snorts*
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:09 [#7079][report] >>19635 I've been using Waterfox for 7 years and it is hands down the best browser ever. Currently running uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, and Tamper Monkey. Every works every single time. Not a single ad on jewtube either.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:14 [#7084][report] Guess I'll have to install it and see if it's compatible with my script that generates a userChrome.css based on your terminal color palette and creates a start page of the same colors. I've been trying to keep it compatible with every FF fork but there's just so goddamn many of them.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:23 [#7090][report] >>19635 their is absolutely no fucking reason to use over librewolf or any other firefox fork. All the stuff that made it faster performance wise is now in everything else the 64bit etc its meaningless at this point. Unless they somehow turn waterfox into thorium for firefox its fucking pointless.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:24 [#7091][report] >>19693 waterfox isn't chromium you fucking retard. Everything you listed can be done by every firefox alt.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:26 [#7092][report] >>19696 I like how they advertise tree style tabs as a waterfox exclusive when an extension has been doing that for years much better than this dogshit implementation When you go into the settings, it says "waterfox exclusive" in every feature that firefox does not provide by default. It's pathetic
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:30 [#7095][report] >>19694 WHATS THE FUCKING POINT??? I decided to try floorp shit is like every other firefox alt. >>19697 there is no fucking reason to use it. I stopped using waterfox when they switched over the the main firefox branch instead of them keeping old extensions working. That was the last time it was worth even using. Now I have yet to see anyone give me a fucking reason. Entire thread is filled with zoomer retards or something who just now figured out their are alternative firefox forks or some shit. who the fuck knows.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 07:52 [#7104][report] >>19665 do you not have a bank/brokerage account? Please walk into the nearest credit union Monday morning with $20 and a drivers license and say >Hey, I'd like to open an account
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 08:04 [#7120][report] >>19698 >there is no fucking reason to use it 9 reasons right here: >>19635
>>19692 Beta + You probably have a bunch of stuff in userchrome.css. I have never seen it get fucked up at all, but that's above and beyond.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 08:07 [#7124][report] >>19700 all those reason are literally on every other alt you retard
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 08:21 [#7138][report] >>19642 >opera 12 rip It was just so easy to use, and it could do so much.
Totally unrelated retard, ff lags because google is botching non-chronium useragents
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 08:27 [#7141][report] >>19688 Bro i'm just a guest here lurking as always... my machine is old and i've always but always used firefox. just gave this "niggeriffic" browser a try and it's smooth as hell. Got all my addons i need, the shortcuts...it's 99% the browser i've been using for years just different name but much smoother. You got any better advices for me than this "niggeriffic" helium ?
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 08:57 [#7155][report] Fuck zen, fuck all the other built in vertical tab shit, fuck you ,fuck everyone.
Sidebery 4lyfe
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 09:22 [#7161][report] All firefox browsers are garbage.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 09:30 [#7163][report] >>19704 Helium is a Chromium fork. It is not even close to '99% the browser you've been using for years'.
>i'm just a guest here lurking as always... >i've always but always >smooth as hell >Got all my addons i need >the shortcuts... >much smoother >got any better advices for me? Yeah, attend about 500 more hours worth of ESL classes or go back to your Indian discord group and never come back.
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 10:46 [#7191][report] >>19689 Windows
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 14:02 [#7324][report] >>19707 not him but not a argument
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 18:58 [#7664][report] >>19706 >>19706 All browsers are garbage
Will LadyBird save us?
Anonymous · 2026-07-11 19:39 [#7714][report] >>19709 no one was arguing thoughbeit
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 01:14 [#8117][report] Just tried to give Zen a try because why not While I do like the minimalist interface, it still has no HDR support, like every other firefox fork I tried so far, so that's a no from me Too bad
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 06:24 [#8326][report] >>19642 We can't have anything nice; it always gets enshitified.
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 06:50 [#8330][report] >>19635 Now it will become shitty, because you couldn't gatekeep it.
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 07:19 [#8338][report] >>19712 HDR is pleb trash for consumer cattle.
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 07:25 [#8343][report] >>19635 Unless I'm mistake you can already make normal Firefox ESR into basically this. I still don't understand the usecase for Waterfox/Librewolf/whatever when you can almost 1 to 1 turn them into what Librewolf/Waterfox are with some about:config settings and shit.
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 08:00 [#8352][report] >>19636 Your phone is most likely safer for that anyway.
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 13:12 [#8419][report] >>19715 Whatever you say, third worlder
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 13:30 [#8426][report] >>19635 can it handle native homepage setting or does it still require an extension?
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 14:13 [#8436][report] >>19720 I knew /g/ is tech illiterate now, but holy fuck
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 14:21 [#8440][report] >>19635 using anything besides Chrome is for the unemployed. ublock lite with the mv3 violentmonkey lack none of the functionality you just like to swap your tranny linux distribution along with your tranny browser every 2 days because you're not doing anything worthwhile with your life
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 14:23 [#8442][report] >>19723 he's right nigga
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 17:18 [#8527][report] >>19724 Until some site breaks and you have to wait 3 days until they release an update.
Anonymous · 2026-07-12 18:45 [#8563][report] >>19725 Sure he is anon, according to consensus reality, which is entirely defined by sociopaths and the deranged (jews, jeets, transhumanists, ultra-rich pedophiles etc...).