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[lounge] Anonymous @ 2026-07-23 15:56:10 [#11623] [193 replies]

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Not even one good thread for weeks.
Where do I even go to have a good discussion on tech and other hobbies? This place is shit, r3ddit is shit, orange plebbit is shit, lobsters is shit, other forums and boards are dead, like where's everyone, HELLO! It feels like everyone moved somewhere and I was left alone here, and when I try and make an effort thread it gets killed by schizos and trolls.

What secret club I'm ignorant of?

Internet is technology
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 15:58 [#11624] [report]
If I had a secret club I wouldn't post about it here.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:01 [#11626] [report]
go back in time and form a small insular friend group within small game community
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:03 [#11627] [report]
He doesent know about Awoo, yikes.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:04 [#11628] [report]
>>26825
people are giving up on the internet
If I told you why you'd probably kys
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:04 [#11629] [report]
secret club is secret for a reason
also, password protected boards
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:04 [#11630] [report]
I find 4chan pretty good without the bait and shill threads. Just have good filters and don't click on topics you have no interest in.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:05 [#11631] [report]
It's not that everyone is gone, it's that most people are drones programmed by the algos from X, Instagram and other social media (this is why every thread is about LLMs). 4chan in particular also has a huge bot problem now. It's hard to quantify, but if I found out there were more LLM posts than human ones, I wouldn't be surprised.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:06 [#11632] [report]
>>26829
If I haven't killed myself already I'm sure there's nothing you could say that would make me.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:07 [#11633] [report]
ikr.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:09 [#11634] [report]
>>26825
fuck you, tranny. everything seems dead only because everyone is actively working to avoid you. anime posting pedophiles ruin everything. 95% of all low-effort /g/arbage threads have an anime image attached (this thread being no exception)
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:10 [#11635] [report]
>>26825
define "good thread".
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:12 [#11636] [report]
>>26825
umigalaxy, I don't like the website UI too much but there's a separate AI and tech board, which I think is a good idea.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:14 [#11637] [report]
>>26825
You literally have to go outside now. The only good conversations I have are with literal randoms off the street or in waiting roonms or in line at the grocery store. Most people online are just stupid losers.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:14 [#11638] [report]
>What secret club I'm ignorant of?
It's called "real life".
Everyone who uses the Internet as a pastime is slave cattle. It was true in 2000 and it is true even moreso today. No exceptions.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:16 [#11639] [report]
>>26837
It supports the super controversial webp image format too.

It doesn't seem to be that much better than JPG or jpegli in camera images but it seems to do pretty well in any images having to do with Anime it seems.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:18 [#11640] [report]
>>26838
>>26839
NPCs are dumb as rocks, we seek out the sekrit clubs to AVOID them not mingle with them.

The problem is when things get popular, NPCs flock to them, thus destroying their SEKRIT club status.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:23 [#11641] [report]
>>26841
The last conversation I had was with some woman in her 60s who had more life experience and more interesting stories to tell me than anything I have ever read on this board. Terminally online retardation has blinded most of you to the fact you're probably less experienced and interesting than most people. Worse you somehow think the internet isn't full of NPCs now, probably because you borderline are one.

The biggest fallacy is thinking dumb people have nothing interesting to talk about, I've been proven wrong on that hundreds of times now
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:24 [#11642] [report]
>>26835
holy fucking trvke
they will never listen though
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:29 [#11643] [report]
>>26842
Brother, we literally have a child rapist in charge of the country starting WW2 and the Jews who started this don't want to help us.

Just because you found 1 out of a MILLION NPCs who broke through the frankensteinburg computer gangster controls, doesn't mean all of them are like that. That's like saying I should leave my car unlocked with the keys inside in the middle of Detroid because I met a nice post office black lady...
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:31 [#11644] [report]
>>26825
Congrats on finally becoming aware of the longest raid in 4chan history. You're looking at multiple governments trying to divide and conquer the internet while many more corporations run ads pretending to be word of mouth.
Basically Moot made 4chan mainstream when he sold it to work at Google.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:37 [#11646] [report]
>>26845
I somewhat doubt this. Is it really that far fetched that grapeape caused this place to nosedive into the ground by not updating 4chan with support for things like webp and av1 that users here have been requesting for a while now?

Remember the recent hack that caused massive PR damage? That would have been the PERFECT time to add webp and av1.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:46 [#11650] [report]
>>26841
>The problem is when things get popular, NPCs flock to them, thus destroying their SEKRIT club status.
They're like a fungus. Read:
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:48 [#11651] [report]
>>26846
Man its actually unbelievable how fucking autistic some of you are.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 16:51 [#11652] [report]
>>26848
Not gonna deny that at all desu. We either get improvements to this site or we leave, I think that's fair.

I personally want JXL and H266 but we can't always get what we want.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:11 [#11653] [report]
>>26825
Thanks for making it even worse by posting this instead of a worthwhile thread, dipshit.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:13 [#11654] [report]
>>26850
I think there is no saving this dump unless grapeape is fired desu.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:14 [#11655] [report]
>>26851
Yeah it’s someone else’s fault, not your fault, even though you’re the one posting the shitty threads. Always blame someone else instead of taking responsibility for your own behavior.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:23 [#11656] [report]
>>26825
>Where do I even go to have a good discussion on tech and other hobbies?
https://allchans.org/
https://cy-x.net/
https://sizeof.arisuchan.xyz/cafe/index.html
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:28 [#11657] [report]
>>26852
I LITERALLY had no control over 4chan allowing webp and av1 uploads.

Guess who did?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:29 [#11658] [report]
>>26853
Sorry if I sound like a cocksucking shill hut how do these compare to umigalaxy? Do they all allow webp and av1 uploads?

I'll bookmark and post around any that meet that simple requirement desu.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:32 [#11660] [report]
>>26846
>if only my autistic file formats would be allowed 4chan could return to its glory days
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:33 [#11661] [report]
>>26854
What does that have to do with your dogshit post clogging up the board?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:39 [#11665] [report]
>>26856
>>26857
It sounds stupid at first, right? However something like webp is a novel new thing, relatively speaking.

It would send a message to anybody remotely tech literate, "Hey we're not a dinosaur old piece of shit thing!". Continuing JPG/PNG support says the opposite.

Think of it like this: what did 4chan gain by adopting H264 (instead of AV1) besides dogshit turds from tiktok and twitter? Answer honestly please.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:42 [#11666] [report]
>>26858
Are you a bot? Literally what the fuck does this have to do with you choosing to make shitty posts?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 17:55 [#11669] [report]
>>26830
Every secret club I joined was ether half empty with extremely low activity or just a very fast circlejerk of a handful of people using it as a friend/social life surrogate, you really can't have both a lack of publicity and a truly healthy community
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:07 [#11674] [report]
>>26855
>Sorry if I sound like a [...] shill
That's quite all right.
>how do these compare to umigalaxy?
I'm unaware. I haven't used that site. I just did a quick visit (possibly for the first time) a moment ago.
>Do they all allow webp and av1 uploads?
Same as above. I haven't used them in a serious sense other than visit a few alt-chans. There was an alt-chan that seemed to have potential. They banned India and Israel IP addresses. But I can't recall it.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:15 [#11675] [report]
>>26825
site is dying after the hack, its not that deep.
also pic looks like Evie hehe
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:21 [#11676] [report]
>>26825
The only way out is to revert to the pre-google kind of internet, where everyone has his own blog and internet page, with hand-picked referrals to other interesting pages, which you then handpick, so you can build your own network of trusted websites and people, that then resides in your bookmarks.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:26 [#11677] [report]
>>26861
our chan? That place had some potential but when I tested webp uploads they were converted to lower quality lossy webp uploads and webp does not do well with generational loss at all so downvote from me.

Umigalaxy doesn't appear to mess with webp uploads, if it's a 17KB lossy webp it stays a 17KB lossy webp to other users. One controversial thing is that it converts PNG/JPG images to web though.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:43 [#11678] [report]
>>26864
>our chan?
Chances are, that had to have been it. This news update looks familiar.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:50 [#11679] [report]
>anons are discussing things I don't like
>internet is dead
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:52 [#11680] [report]
>>26864
kys retard
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 18:54 [#11681] [report]
>>26866
Nah, there's something off about this place. Don't you find it odd that bots like >>26867 won't go away despite modern captcha being a whole IQ test?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:00 [#11682] [report]
>>26868
The current captcha encourages retards because only a retard would willingly subject themselves to the process rather than go somewhere else. Plus retards with money can just buy a pass.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:13 [#11684] [report]
>>26868
>there's something off about this place
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:16 [#11685] [report]
>>26870
I think he's giving the average 4chan poster a little too much credit.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:18 [#11686] [report]
>>26825
Pretty soon it will be agreed that the internet is dead and basically every tech-oligarch afilliated and google pushed website will see a drop in total usage of normals.

There will be multiple nets with backed-america based websites being completely shut out. An undernet comprised of small heavily protected websites and opensourced chatrooms will start popping up with, ironically enough, local "AI" being used to identify and permanently ban all bots and shills.
Open AI, Anthropic, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon have taken advantage of the high trust open web and utterly destroyed it forever.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:26 [#11688] [report]
>>26831
That will filter all of the board, from the catalogue, give me one good thread.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:29 [#11689] [report]
>>26835
>>26843
anime website, and that picture is probably the only "anime" picture I have in my drive besides satania's itoddlers btfo
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:33 [#11690] [report]
>>26825
>>26832
This
Theyve been corraled into the botswarm gulags where they're physiologically bound by hypnotic doomscrolled and algorithmically heaven and shadowbanned into containment controlled silos. Legions of bots separate posters from each other.

The solution isnt the prettiest but if one believes that an informed populace is essential to the fortitude of the republic it must be reached for and implemented wholesale
OP · 2026-07-23 19:37 [#11691] [report]
>>26850
Codec-autist is NOT me, he is the one I specifically described when I said schizos ruining threads, he's like a virus that takes threads about various subjects and makes them about his codec autism, he thinks all the problems of the world would be solved if we supported jxl and av1
OP · 2026-07-23 19:42 [#11692] [report]
>>26862
Then where did people go? The sharty is filled with edgy teens, other altchans are half dead or just yet another low post /pol/ circlejerk, I suspect they went to xitter and discord, the chan culture is dead, we're stuck here with schizos, bots, and oldfags lurking out of habit.
>also pic looks like Evie hehe
idk who is that, I found this on danbooru and thought it would be a great general bait image for a thread if I need it.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:45 [#11693] [report]
>>26877
Everyone is stuck in their own personal botnet bubble anon. A psychological matrix that's corrupted their mind.
An entire web of gollums worshipping their digital rings. Infallable gods in their own personal hells.
OP · 2026-07-23 19:46 [#11694] [report]
>>26866
You mean the 8th ai porn thread? Or the 13th xitter ragebait thread? Or the 20th frogpost about jeets?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:46 [#11695] [report]
>>26877
>who is that
Evie is a cute tomboy from the new stellar blade that got announced recently
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 19:59 [#11696] [report]
>>26853
>>26861
tpbp
saving this thread with no deletions
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:02 [#11697] [report]
>>26825
You are the problem.
You're a pathetic fucking loser.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:03 [#11698] [report]
>>26853
>look at top imageboards
>the one owned by that honeypot faggot hotwheels (among others) notorious for CP
>the dead one from back when /b/ thought they could ever leave in 2007
>russian hell
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:04 [#11699] [report]
>>26877
I don't think there are public facing forums anymore, you have to have an already networked community that gate-keeps and goes private. It has to be designed in a way, intentionally or otherwise, which can filter out all the spam, bots and retardation. I was on a runescape private server about a year ago, had idk maybe 10k players total something like that and it was by far the most genuine, lifelike, authentic community I have seen online since like 2004. Probably because the admin of the site set up custom rules that would not fuck with bots at all, and very strict on the players plus the nature of a RS private server doesn't attract what a forum does like here where it's just endless spam and ads and bot farms.

Basically if you don't know by now you need to find someone who can inv you to something like this or you're forever fucked now.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:06 [#11700] [report]
>>26880
what does tomboy mean? short hair?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:09 [#11701] [report]
>>26885
its a part of it but not all, watch the trailer, she beats up monsters God Hand style
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:10 [#11702] [report]
>>26868
so between me and daiz... i'm the bot?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:10 [#11703] [report]
>>26884
>Probably because the admin of the site set up custom rules that would not fuck with bots at all
Like what?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:10 [#11704] [report]
>>26886
was tomboy a big thing in the 90s or something? I always see uncs talking about it
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:11 [#11705] [report]
>>26887
>daiz
is he that codec-schizo that posts that jjk nobara pic?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:16 [#11706] [report]
>>26890
yea
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 20:42 [#11708] [report]
>>26825
It was already shit when you got here, you just didn't know any better and now you do
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 21:06 [#11709] [report]
>>26889
its the best kind of woman. ((())) brainwash almost made them go extinct but they're making a comeback now.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 21:45 [#11712] [report]
what if I only want to talk about otters
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 21:50 [#11714] [report]
>>26825
I've been going to concerts more and interacting with the flesh beings
finance and business bros have complete control of tech at this point
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 21:55 [#11715] [report]
>>26825
>where's everyone
fagman stuff like tiktok, don't even bother going to check, modern people are very different to the ones that existed in the golden age internet, all the forum people are grandpas or uncles like me they mostly drool at reels at facebook/instagram, zoomers and alphagen are the mayority but they use discord and roblox mostly, they also have a totally different mindset, piracy is viewed as something horrible and very dangerous for example, most people here are mentally ill gnostards, closet nazis hiding, mostly people that fagman banned
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 21:56 [#11716] [report]
>>26894
Otters are technology.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 21:59 [#11717] [report]
>>26876
>all the problems of the world would be solved if we supported jxl and av1
Alright, what makes you say that BETTER THING wouldn't help make this shitheap improve?

Are you personally going to use JPG and H.264 until the sun explodes?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:02 [#11719] [report]
>>26898
>Are you personally going to use JPG and H.264 until the sun explodes?
Yes but png.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:02 [#11720] [report]
>>26874
4chan is an imageboard. It does, however, contain a specific anime board. But that does not make it an anime website, just like Reddit having a PC gaming subreddit doesn't make Reddit a PC gaming website.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:14 [#11721] [report]
>>26900
Reddit lacking any identity or culture is a large part of the reason it's so shit. It's a large part of the reason 4chan has gone to shit too. When a site gets too big it ends up fragmented and at odds with itself. It drives people into isolation within increasingly specific niches so they can get away from the noise. Generals are the ultimate example of this.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:20 [#11722] [report]
>>26870
I'm guessing that 4chins is not nearly that important as people like to LARP about.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:23 [#11723] [report]
age of empires 2 cd edition on patch 1.0c or 1.0e in gameranger lobbies
11
11
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:28 [#11724] [report]
>>26825
>>26877
Why's nobody taking into consideration that there's simply next to no influx of new people any longer?
Smartphone users (>90% of "internet users" nowadays) are trapped on Instagram, TikTok, YT and a very few other platforms/sites forever and can't escape.
Even less of these people find twitter.
And I'd guess that nowadays even less find reddit; which is barely even "surface level" any longer.
Almost all of the world population is trapped on this "surface level" and anybody here wonders why anything "below" is slowly withering away?
>Oldfags vanish; newfags don't arrive any longer
It's not that complicated.

Also:
>WHO THE FUCK READS TEXT IN 2020+6?!?
See. Something else to ponder.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:32 [#11725] [report]
>>26884
>Basically if you don't know by now you need to find someone who can inv you to something like this or you're forever fucked now.
This.
Unfortunately...
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:36 [#11726] [report]
>>26825
Kiwifarms
Or
forum.agoraroad.com
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:39 [#11727] [report]
>>26827
I would've done so, if people who get stuck in some particular singular video game were not as retarded. There are a couple of old video games that were so good, I consider them art. But their most vocal remaining fans are just retarded people. And I'm not even being rude, that's just what they are. Kinda hard to vibe and be friends with them, you know. Still better than normies, don't get the wrong idea, but... Yeah.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:54 [#11728] [report]
>>26825
There's a certain imageboard that has acceptable discussion of tech and adjacent "cyberpunk-esque" topics, though it can come off as posturing/performative.

Discussion can cross into the realm of what is deemed "schizo-tier", but only in the sense that it covers fringe concepts; to my knowledge there aren't any schizo ritual posters. Posts are held to a certain "standard of quality"; you can't just shitpost and/or write one-word retorts. Whether its efforts at moderation are adequate/efficient is subjective--I personally don't like some of the word filters. Some boards/threads are more active than others, though site activity is largely slow.

There are a handful of altchans with their own moderately-sized tech boards, but I personally like that one, and would like to see more activity/contribution on it from the right people.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 22:56 [#11729] [report]
Aside from forums and imageboards, I've been having more fun browsing sites covering projects I'm working on atm--though they're more often than not forum posts themselves (many of which are a pain in the ass to navigate without an account, some of which have files locked behind donations). I find that it's better for you yourself to read the documentation proper and make sense of it, rather than to seek to seek someone's else's (often misconstrued or incomplete) version of it. The necessity for doing so should be self-evident, if one (rightly) assumes/observes the abysmally-low collective IQ of the Internet.

Irrespective of everyone's objective IQ, there's something about online discourse/interactions that compel oneself to act like a complete fucking moron, more so than they would IRL. This has always been the case--even during Usenet days, going by anecdotal evidence--but it's exacerbated nowadays what with the modern userbase--many of whom are simply seeking quick entertainment instead of enlightenment), and the algorithms that influence them.

Instead of resigning to disregard the majority of users; i.e. normalfags, as niggercattle, I would instead be interested in efforts aimed at elevating them to a higher standard. There have been incidental efforts to do so on the part of privacy mindfulness, but it's primarily performative imo in the sense that they just follow along with it; they don't understand the underlying technologies and the reasons for needing to do something, it's just another personality trait to tack on. Perhaps we'll see a change out of necessity when Western governments collectively carpet-bomb the free Internet (for the sake of teh children, of course!).
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:14 [#11730] [report]
>>26847
the subculture i'm part of is by nature anthetical to NPCism so i'm not too worried about mops flocking in lol.
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:32 [#11735] [report]
>>26825
>Not even one good thread for weeks.
So make one yourself, tranny. I don't see a good thread posted by (You) either just bitching and moaning
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:33 [#11736] [report]
>>26896
Last time I checked a forum and it had a sticky saying they will shut it down in the next days because "new generation prefers instant messaging" so they used the cord, no every community is in a gated glowing electron app
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:35 [#11738] [report]
>>26900
an anime imageboard, you reddit refugee
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:38 [#11741] [report]
>>26904
Sure, I know that, my familytards spend all day scrolling through slop, phonetards shouldn't be desired in any community, but where's the remaining others? Most people have internet these days yet there's no one in the real internet, and if there's someone they're parroting $CURRENT_THING
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:41 [#11743] [report]
>>26908
they're just reposting 4chan's schizo posting, and it's dead and filled with spam, plus the UI is shit
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:42 [#11744] [report]
You guys write too much, I'm not going to read all that.

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Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:43 [#11745] [report]
>>26916
>my first time visiting github
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:44 [#11747] [report]
>>26909
online discussion is where we can easily exchange and debate ideas (and call each others faggot niggers) and learn something new, just having connected islands of websites doesn't fulfill that.

>I would instead be interested in efforts aimed at elevating them to a higher standard.
Like what?
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:46 [#11749] [report]
>>26911
then show me one chuddy, it's absent like your father?
>inb4 absent like your dick
I still have one, ask your slut of a mother
Anonymous · 2026-07-23 23:54 [#11756] [report]
>>26884
Are you talking about 2004scape? You can't make an account without Discord verification so it's automatically shit. It's dystopian and only perpetuating the problem facing the internet. Normal, sane human beings would not subject themselves to Discord, giving out a phone number and potentially ID, for the sake of a fucking Runescape private server.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 00:05 [#11760] [report]
shit is accelerating too quickly. you can't avoid flock cameras anymore, bots sway public opinion online, everything is carefully controlled propaganda, everything you do is tracked, stored, and analyzed in some data center paid for by our own tax dollars.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 00:10 [#11762] [report]
>>26825
probably IRC chats
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 00:19 [#11772] [report]
>>26920
No it was a 2005 server i think, web interface only no discord required although it was integrated in some ways I think, maybe they changed it though I quit since. I made the account without discord as I never use it and dont have an account. I remember there was a separate website for trading like a bulletin board or whatever, I do remember before I quit they were talking about integrating discord though. maybe it was 2004scape idk 25buttholes did a bunch of videos on it.

I was getting addicted again though so I quit like over a year ago
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 01:16 [#11811] [report]
>>26923
Was it this one?
https://2004.lostcity.rs/account/create
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 01:24 [#11813] [report]
>>26825
We're all getting older. I spend less and less time online.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 02:04 [#11822] [report]
>>26918
>online discussion is where we can easily exchange and debate ideas
Yes. It just happens to be such that the majority of people's contributions are inane and of no substance. If anything, their "contributions" only serve to devolve said "discussion", of which often times is already meaningless itself. The majority of any population is painfully dull.

>and call each others faggot niggers
Case in point. I'm not opposed to using the nigger-word when someone has earned it, but I find it low-brow to use it as is before a conversation has devolved into lancing insults at one another. Many use it, as well as "tranny", as some kind of attempt at a rebuttal, without even caring to append an actual argument to it. Granted, sometimes the person you are arguing with is retarded to the point where they don't deserve a proper response, but it can't be the case that the majority of interactions here (and most other online spaces at this point) warrant one-word, dismissive retorts. If such is the case, either everyone's contributions are consciously low-effort; they're acting retarded on purpose, or they're just simply retarded and can't come up with anything better to say.

>Like what?
The criteria for what is considered high-quality is subjective. I'm sure we can reach a consensus on what is low-quality however. Lack of literacy and lack of effort on the part to elaborate on one's argument--if there even is one--is low-effort. The only possible remedy I can imagine would be efforts to increase literacy rates in the Western world, exclude users with low English fluency, i.e., rangebans; and raise the barrier of entry for participation on the Internet, or even setting up and using a computer.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 02:11 [#11824] [report]
>>26925
and what do you do?
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 02:25 [#11828] [report]
I'm on RNS/Nomadnet
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 03:08 [#11832] [report]
>>26877
I moistly go to Kiwi Farms now. I'm not even that into gasping about lolcows but it has mods that do there jobs and a minimum of AI obsessed closited Indians. Unfortunately, Null is obsessed AI, nihilistic and socially ostracized. I don't know long he is going to stay sane and the Farms will defiantly die with him.
>Or the 20th frogpost about jeets?
They deserve some of the blame for this shit show, along with us slowly devolving into nigger cattle.
>>26889
>I always see uncs talking about it
Non-humans like (you) shuld be B& form posting. I don't care whether you are White or not, you have the mind of a nigger.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 05:56 [#11837] [report]
>>26877
The truth is that 80% of imageboard users were only f5ing for a dopamine kick. They didn't care about "chan culture", they just left to go scroll ig/tiktok/xitter and you can find basically the same content there. All the old /g/ memes like ChinkPads and desktop ricing are more alive on TikTok than on /g/.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 06:14 [#11838] [report]
>>26862
That's because it's exactly who she's supposed to be. You've got a good eye
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/147158606
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 11:11 [#11906] [report]
>>26931
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 15:02 [#11919] [report]
>>26926
>The majority of any population is painfully dull.
Sure, but not retarded like most modern people, especially that oldfags like >>26925 are spending more time offline while new gen zoomer retards ruin cyberspace.

>>and call each others faggot niggers
>Case in point [...]
IMO banning the use of such words will clean any online space, I'm not against its use like some over socialized redditor, but most people that use it only do it because it's edgy and contrarian, ban also politics because it attracts retards, make the internet mostly about hobbies and interests, make the internet autistic again!

>>Like what?
>raise the barrier of entry for participation on the Internet, or even setting up and using a computer.
Maybe like an altnet that requires some computer literacy to use would filter most retards, I don't speak about i2p or tor, but something like usenet, people today can not even torrent, and would rather be humiliated in pirate sites. Range banning would not solve your problems (see the sharty) because indeed some nations have more retards but that is just a naive way of filtering retards, which can be done in better ways.

The big problem here is that people stopped caring about cyberspace and technology, while the remaining are jews, faggots and goycattle that seek to ruin it even more, every organization that cared about the good of tech and the net were infested by jews and troons literally, they keep using the same methods of infiltrating that are mainly about stupid leftist ideas like inclusion, equality and democracy as a reason to remove the OGs and replace them with their retarded proxies, see what happened to EFF, FSF, W3C, Mozilla, hell even google used to cared.

Life is hell. Maybe that's why Uriel killed himself after years of shouting into the void.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 15:05 [#11921] [report]
>>26930
tbqh modern instagram is like how /b/ was back in the its golden days, you can find the same cheap humor, racism and edginess, but now it's controlled by some blackbox algorithm meant to disturb your life.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 15:15 [#11922] [report]
>>26877
>Then where did people go?
Nowhere. The era of online communities is over. You have a private group you're a part of or... well have fun on instagram and sharty I guess.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 15:50 [#11923] [report]
>>26894
otterchan.net
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 15:52 [#11924] [report]
>>26825
>It feels like everyone moved somewhere and I was left alone here
Probably private or at the very least unsearchable discords, especially for communities with particular interests that would previously have their own forums somewhere.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 15:59 [#11925] [report]
>>26825
>It feels like everyone moved somewhere and I was left alone here
Not technically wrong.
>and when I try and make an effort thread it gets killed by schizos and trolls
Yeah that's why the free internet is dead and not coming back. People have been coping for over a decade about muh secret discord server where everyone MUST be truth is the people you want to see online stopped using "the internet" beyond checking their bank account and emails type of shit.
Entropy only moves one way, we had a chance and we blew it.
Anonymous · 2026-07-24 18:08 [#11928] [report]
>>26825
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 01:45 [#11939] [report]
>>26825
>HELLO! It feels like everyone moved somewhere and I was left alone here,
Me too. I also feel that web was abandoned.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 01:56 [#11940] [report]
>>26940
I think OP abandoned this thread. It would appear that OP just wanted to bitch and moan about some made-up problem instead of becoming the solution to said made-up problem.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:09 [#11941] [report]
>>26940
>>26941
I'm always here
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:10 [#11942] [report]
>>26942
Plus, how can you be the solution as a single man while the problem is in the community
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:15 [#11943] [report]
This board is literally turning into only generals that are treated like group chats, at this point just make a discord or an IRC
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:44 [#11944] [report]
>>26943
Ditch the govt approved metaphysics and adopt ome that supports it. Like if you were the change you wanted to see and lead by example, sure you changed nothing but you get reincarnated in a forked realm where they did do something about it
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:46 [#11945] [report]
>>26942
>>26943
put forth something worth discussing. Instead of Dead Internet Hypothesis, perhaps the reason for the silence is: Boring Internet Hypothesis. Or could be: Boring Technology Hypothesis.
In my opinion the wiz-bang *wow* technology never materialized. I find the technologies of today and the last 20 years incredibly boring.
I am left with an empty nostalgia feeling for a time that hardly existed beyond fleeting moments of playing Street Fighter II at the arcade, or Metal Slug at the roller skating rink, or renting Road Rash 2 and playing it on by friends Sega Genesis, or the thrill of playing Command & Conquer 2: Red Alert with some guy across the globe.
I remember days when people were all excited about: "what's life going to be like after the year 2000, wow, gee I wonder"... then wow, I can afford a celphone now. Then wow, broadband internet is affordable... Then, wow ok I can't smoke here? Non-smoking everywhere? Then... oh I can't say what I think anymore or I get canceled... um... ok 3d printing is cool. What are we going to print? Oh... warhammer figurines. Oh gee, that's fucking boring. OMG blockchain BLOCKCHAIN bros!!! Then wow, lets get scared of the common cold and live in a post-apoctalyptic omega-man existence. Now it's, gee I wonder how auto-complete on steroids aka AI will change the world? Protip: it won't. In USA we have slow trains, crumbling infrastructure, runaway obesity, people busting their ass at work 60 hours a week for what looks like more money but factor in inflation and it's like nobody got a raise. So, call me Korben Dallas bro, I'm super unimpressed. I wonder what the future will hold: jackshit or virtual jackshit, take your pick. Even the conspiracy theories are boring these days, that is if they aren't scrubbed off the internet and replaced by dancing AI bitches.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:47 [#11946] [report]
>>26945
Are you saying I should hang myself?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:51 [#11947] [report]
>>26947
No he's saying that as an individual, become as an individual, the kind of person you would want to commune with, then maybe someone like you will pop up, also an individual, but sort of like you then there are two. Then a few more will gather. But he did finish with some reincarnation shit and put a picture of Ted so he's probably a little mentally unstable. But even crazy people have fun things to talk about, sometimes, as long as it is fresh.

What technology interests you?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:56 [#11948] [report]
>>26947
>>26948
Pretty much be the change is ghandi and je starved himself memory serves.

A proper good death metaphyics is very helpful too, youll soon learn with enough practice that quantum immortality is alot more scary
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 02:59 [#11949] [report]
>>26844
>we literally have a child rapist in charge of the country
No, Biden's term is done. He is out of office. You need to pay attention.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:00 [#11950] [report]
>>26948
Teds only mistake (gelenter is in the epstein files- was unibombered. Its a far more aligned profile he was targeting mk ultra cells nested in academia) was that he didnt chase something different. Personally im going north, ill make it to the south pole by going through the hole in the top of the earth. Im going to surf the kurosiwo into agarth
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:08 [#11951] [report]
>>26951
I figure IF there's a hole in the earth it would be in the mysterious warm spot of water (warm as in above freezing temperature) at the center of antartica, so head south.
I agree Ted should not have unibombered. I mean if he had waited another 20 years he could have just vanity-published his own book and sold it on Amazon. His treatise "Industrial Society and Its Future" is excellent, and does explain the why society is so unfulfilled. I feel like the only book that really meets Ted on that level is Freud: Civilization and its discontents.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:11 [#11952] [report]
>>26950
I am thoughbeit.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:16 [#11953] [report]
>>26949
If you like to read, check out Henry Ford My Life & Work
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7213/pg7213-images.html
It gives perspective on what the future could have been if not for mankind being what it is, as evidenced by clowns with TDS, COVID Booster Shots, and other such poltical hogwash peddled by the illiterati who think they can use AI to outsmart the remnant few who still think for themselves.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:19 [#11954] [report]
>>26952
According to kircher in enters from the top and regurgitates at the bottom
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:30 [#11955] [report]
>>26955
fascinating... I could see that: water is infiltrated at the north, is heated on its journey through the earth, and is ejected at the south.

Do you read latin?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:31 [#11956] [report]
>>26825
Stop whining about a lack of threads and start generating—AI is right there: ready for you to bring into being your every desire.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:39 [#11959] [report]
>>26956
Nah im terrible with languages but i like to try to decrypt it
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:49 [#11964] [report]
>>26958
Yeah, me too. I tried to learn latin several times but couldn't get it to stick. I used to read alot of old books. I think you'd enjoy Paracelsus.

What do you think about the modern-day conspiracy theory that "extraterestials" are actual inter-dimensional beings communicating to the global elite via pseduo-extraterestial radio from hell?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 03:58 [#11967] [report]
>>26959
Nice! Cool i was worried about this guy with the homonculus, ill check around

Im convinced this is a pocket dimension belonging to king of egypt and that they keep getting infected with an ancient babylonian nanocyte when they go digging in sandland that operates on an ancient imperialistic agenda to raise babylon. Original freemasons built a nullification grid but they opened the tombs and it einfected them and reloaded the ai program.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:01 [#11969] [report]
>>26825
pleanty of good threads, you're just depressed. I too am depressed when i'm not drunk, but when I am drunk I see all the good threads. Strange that it works like that but for me thats how it works at least. You just need to stop being a debbie downer.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:06 [#11971] [report]
>>26961
That's because you're turning into a braindead itoddler, dark path to go down.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:07 [#11972] [report]
>>26962
I use a pixel 10a, I don't fuck with anything apple. You are retarded.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:09 [#11974] [report]
>>26963
FOR NOW. Put the booze down before it's too late...
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:10 [#11975] [report]
>>26964
Again you are retarded. Stop assuming shit.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:18 [#11978] [report]
>>26965
pic related
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:21 [#11979] [report]
>>26960
There was a time when I was interested in Archaeoastronomy which eventually lead me toward the belief that the ancient egyptians were actually just squatters that did some extensive remodeling to make it look like they built all of that stuff, and so what appears to be the wonders of ancient egypt were actually built sometime well before the ice age.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:27 [#11980] [report]
>>26966
not the anon you were arguing with but... alcohol will take a dark turn on you eventually. i've watched it happen to a few good friends who sadly I can't stand to even talk to anymore. Eventually the daily drinker, at night only, turns into the day drinker, then the morning drinker, and from there you have completely fucked yourself because now you can't drink anymore at all OR you become a slushy, angry, retarded version of your former self. it is sad to see. you won't see it coming either. just one day you will be there and it will be too late.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:28 [#11981] [report]
why does this board just feel like an extension of /v/ now?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:29 [#11983] [report]
>>26968
your friends are weak willed faggots and deserve whatever comes to them, you should kill yourself too instead of shitting up the internet with this kind of faggotry.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:29 [#11984] [report]
>>26968
I drink once a week, sometimes less, i'm not retarded.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:32 [#11985] [report]
>>26971
>86▶
>>>26968
>I drink once a week, sometimes less, i'm not retarded.
Also before I even go to sleep I sober up completely because I can't fall asleep drunk. I'm 36 btw. So you're talking to the wrong person about that issue lmfao. Hell i'm already almost competely sober cause i've stopped drinking an hour ago and have been drinking water and gatorate.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:35 [#11987] [report]
>>26970
yep, they said the same thing way back when.
>>26971
good, it is a thursday... why not wait until friday?

I should add that you did say
>I too am depressed when i'm not drunk
which is also what those "weak willed faggots" as you called them used to say too, and why I said what I said to you.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:36 [#11988] [report]
>>26973
uhh it is friday, wtf are you talking about?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:37 [#11989] [report]
>>26973
also I never said anyone was weak willed.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:40 [#11990] [report]
>>26973
gay retard
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:42 [#11991] [report]
>>26974
oh shit it is friday, fuck how did I land in this timeline again?

>>26975
great, so i'm talking to two or more drunks. yeah. fuck this timeline.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:44 [#11992] [report]
>>26977
you're depressed and need to just not give a shit and have fun.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:53 [#11995] [report]
>>26978
activating timeline reversion protocol 21121137-0b0a-4c15-861d-abef1d3b3f03
standby for total recall
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:55 [#11996] [report]
>>26825
I think we just got old more than anything else. I have a wife, 3 kids, regular job, and real life hobbies taking up my time and fulfilling my social needs. I do have good real life friends I have made from the image boards but most of them don't come here anymore. I don't use discord specifically but there are other group chats. I mostly still come here just because I can't stomach doom scrolling any normal social media. IRC is also a complete ghost town these days, even moreso than 4chan.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:56 [#11997] [report]
>>26979
10-4
i'm tracking you but we've got some interference.
reverse plasma propulsion systems for entropy lock-in.
breaker and lock-in on protocol 9cf410f8-fdd9-4c90-b629-67a3ba36ba64
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 04:57 [#11998] [report]
>>26981
locked
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 05:01 [#11999] [report]
>go to https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/g.desu.meta/type/op/order/asc/
>post how many pages you have to go through before you find a good thread and a link to the thread
>prepare to be judged
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 05:05 [#12000] [report]
>>26982
it's still friday
hit me again.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 05:12 [#12001] [report]
>>26825
test
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 05:21 [#12002] [report]
>>26825
>Where do I even go to have a good discussion on tech and other hobbies?
I came to the conclusion that there is no such place anymore (speaking for technology specifically), there used to be active tech imageboards with good quality and decent speed like 8/tech/ or even nano/g/ but they all died or got killed, or they have been taken over by retards/shills like 4/g/, imageboards in general are dying, in fact I'd go further and say that topic-based discussion in general is dying as an entire category, everything is becoming persona-oriented like social media or ecelebs, basically they don't even talk about technology as a topic and don't feel the need to anymore at all.
I don't know if there are uber secret clubs because I have no friends and I wouldn't be able to get in there anyway, probably I wouldn't be interested in being part of some circlejerk anyway, those tends to become very persona-oriented too anyway.
We are remnants of a lost era.
>>26845
Honestly I believe it, there's no way what happened to /g/ in the last six years is organic.
>>26853
>sizeof.arisuchan.xyz
An archive of sizeof site? Nice I was looking for it thanks.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 05:47 [#12004] [report]
>>26870
> Those who might have built lives of success, families, movements, or enterprises instead become trapped in a cycle of cynicism and wasted time.
That applies to Reddit too. More so even, I’d say’s.
Plus: I’m successful (by normal standards) and I have a family, so take that, feds!
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 10:39 [#12022] [report]
The internet is dying in general including YouTube tiktok Instagram etc. People are done with the internet and digital experiences in general.

Just like cable TV turns out to have been a boomer exclusive form of media and it dies with them so is gaming and the internet dying with millennials. Zoomers are just going outside now.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 12:04 [#12024] [report]
>>26829
This. Emshittification is driving ppl to old consoles, dvds, outdoor activities like hiking and biking. People are sick of what's become of the net
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 13:54 [#12025] [report]
>>26968
not the anon you were arguing with but... image boards will take a dark turn on you eventually. i've watched it happen to a few good friends who sadly I can't stand to even talk to anymore. Eventually the daily browser, at night only, turns into the day browser, then the morning browser, and from there you have completely fucked yourself because now you can't browse anymore at all OR you become a slushy, angry, retarded version of your former self. it is sad to see. you won't see it coming either. just one day you will be there and it will be too late
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 14:02 [#12026] [report]
Reddit is pretty good for hobbies actually.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 14:06 [#12027] [report]
>>26991
just dropped a trvke in this threado
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 14:08 [#12028] [report]
>>26991
Only if they are niche and the amount of users doesn't grow too much. A lot of them deteriorate just because of the size of the community pushing lowest common denominator content to the front.

For example the local model subreddit about running small AI on your local hardware used to be very good with a lot of technical talk, but now it's memes on the front page and the people that write technically has no incentive anymore because they get no upvotes and are never on the front page and thus other technical people never see the post in the first place.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 14:14 [#12029] [report]
>>26924
yes it was this one you are correct. I quit in April of 2025 though when I was playing there was no discord shit. It was solid up till then, most people I met were anti-discord boomers too so weird they would require that. Was a good maybe 4 months of playing though it was f2p locked when I was playing.

Main runescape is just soulless and out of control that server gave me exactly what i wanted which was reliving an authentic MMO with no bots, multilogging, cheat clients, services, etc. Community was absolutely awesome when it started. Can't say for sure now, won't be playing anything runescape likely ever again
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 14:15 [#12030] [report]
>>26991
Wrong
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 14:43 [#12031] [report]
>>26936
I thought you were joking, but that's a real website lmao
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 15:11 [#12032] [report]
>>26953
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 15:32 [#12033] [report]
>>26967
Definitely checks, especially how the celestial alignments repeat on the great year.
T hoping this egg is depicting a polar vortex at the top and the hole isnt an accident as well
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 15:35 [#12034] [report]
>>26980
>. I mostly still come here just because I can't stomach doom scrolling any normal social media
I feel that, they feel like genuine psychological assessment tests these days and one starts feeling like their being nudged it gets disconcerting.
Really nice to have a shared reality net
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 15:35 [#12035] [report]
>>26825
Get with the times unc, technology, the internet, it’s all gay now. It’s time to start touchgrassmaxxing. The next generation will learn to want nothing to do with technology because tech was a mistake
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 15:40 [#12036] [report]
>>26995
This was true back in the days of /r/fatpeoplehate when you could actually have a legitimate subculture existing despite the seething and bitching from all the retarded faggots elsewhere on the site. Now it's all homogeneous, every sub is a slave to the redditor archetype.

It's all hobby + redditor archetype/rules/culture. So you have political garbage leaking everywhere, sexuality garabge leaking everywhere, muh incel leaking everywhere, muh misogynist leaking everywhere, muh ban happy faggot mods leaking everywhere. It's so laborious to bother discussing anything there I just turn to an LLM to help me with a hobby now.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 15:47 [#12037] [report]
>>26844
>we literally have a child rapist in charge of the country starting WW2
>WW2
FDR was a pedo? I thought he just was a sisterfucker.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 16:01 [#12038] [report]
>>26899
This image as a low quality jpeg is priceless
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 16:19 [#12039] [report]
>>26825
>Not even one good thread for weeks
There are a shit ton of threads on /g/ about "muh dead internet", there was a thread exactly like yours but better just a couple of days ago, how stupid can you get?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 16:25 [#12040] [report]
>>26951
you'd get yourself killed, anon, probably there's no one there, agartha probably is a theory made by coping schizos and jews to stop people from thinking about a solution and wishing to flee somewhere magical.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 16:33 [#12041] [report]
>>26825
I don't even know what "good discussion" would be at this point.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 16:43 [#12042] [report]
>>26991
BS, every god damn hobby reddit somehow will make it about faggots and troons, last time my autismo led me to vexillology, and because google treats reddit as the bible I stumbled upon its subreddit, and it's all about fags, right now the top post there is about a gay flag. Reddit is like the rotted body of traditional forums, reddit is everything wrong with a forum.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 16:49 [#12043] [report]
>>27003
Even the libpng website has its logo as a jpg, and they said it was because every tool has its best usecase
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 16:58 [#12044] [report]
millennial autists that used to be the core of the board have gotten families or died and zoomers are tech-illiterate keyboard and chinese IEM collectors
the other thread about magical AI defeating legacy captcha proved just how retarded the board became when no one could see the easy algorithm for solving it until the three digit IQ guy easily did
there can't be any good discussion of technology because no one understands technology here anymore
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 18:07 [#12045] [report]
>>27005
One wont know for sure until one goes themselves (and navigates themselves unto). The solution is successio plebis and the homesteading act it entails so this is a solution that leads by example

You only get geospatial data from google between 85.04 N and 85.04 S despite paying admiral byrd to map little america.

The age of explorers still exists for me, beyond the horizon outside of gps, a hope beyond the shadows of platos cave.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 18:19 [#12046] [report]
If you really want to know what’s wrong with the board look no further than this idiotic post and all the idiots bumping it.
>”there’s no good posts!”
>cried anon as he continued bumping the worst post on the board
>blissfully ignorant of the fact that it is he who allows bad threads to rise to the top and he who refuses to post anything decent
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 18:21 [#12047] [report]
>>27009
Are you implying that Idiocracy was in fact a documentary?
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 18:26 [#12048] [report]
>>27012
no, just more people have access to the internet, this board is no longer sikrit club and normies prevail
there still are proficient zoomers but they are certainly not here
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 20:30 [#12053] [report]
>>27000
Grass makes my hands itchy.
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 20:50 [#12054] [report]
>>26996
Sure is
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 23:45 [#12058] [report]
>>27011
bump is not upvote
Anonymous · 2026-07-25 23:53 [#12059] [report]
>>26881
https://cy-x.net/pane/4chan/g/109350677
I did the needful.
Anonymous · 2026-07-27 20:34 [#12080] [report]
>>26846
blame hiroshimoot

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