Basically same as the title but here are 3 reasons as to why?

• Better Privacy (Eliminates user identifiers entirely, superior metadata protection and better encryption)
• Way simpler to use then xmmp and irc (ofc not as simple as ssh, you still use a gui)
• Imo It even has better support for images and attachments than XMPP, at least that's has been my experience.

I'm suspicious of these nu-privacy chat "apps". How does decentralization work on SimpleX? Is it some opaque crypto bullshit honeypot like Session?

>>12021
Magic

it has central relay servers for decentralization
https://simplex.chat/privacy/#conditions-of-use-of-software-and-infrastructure

Cahlen the wizard shilled it some time ago, ask him, maybe he knows about the magic behind it: https://cahlen.org/simplex-chat/

>>12023
>Conditions of Use of Software and Infrastructure
What a joke, that looks like some corporate product.
No thanks, we'll stick with true decentralized and uncomplicated solutions like IRC and XMPP.

>>12025

Have you even read any of it? Aside from minimal age of 13 bs, every other point is detailed explanation for operators to follow AGPLv3 license.

Good grief put some effort.

>>12027
If a software has the ability to do age verification it is shit tier.

>>12028

Wow this is how you put effort, this is how you judge whether a software is good or bad, this is how we are going to make the internet "better".

> If a software has the ability to do age verification it is shit tier

like what fucking age verification? there is no age verification, there is no verification at all, and that's the fucking point, i am genuinely starting to think you might be that under 13yo.

Also here some information as to why it has a license and age requirements (doesn't have any kind of verification to check it). The license is for the app "simplex chat" not the protocol simplex, there is difference between a protocol and clint application, both irc and xmmp are protocols, so probably the client you are using also have a license and conditions and shit, i hope it helps someone who is not not under 13yo.

The Simplex website has no download button for anything, so it does not exist, it is only some App on some Appstore or whatever.

>>12033

Idk man how you do this, This is going to be the third time i am going to say put some effort, the button is right there.

I'm on a computer, I found the download link already, hidden under "references" then download, but the executable does not work, now what?

Got it to work, it just pissed me off at first that they shove all this mobile Appstore links in your face and then also QR code and such stuff I have no idea what to do with. A software should primarily be software for a computer, not for phones, since phone users are not to be trusted, their phone might record anything they do anyway. It might be possible to install custom OS on a phone, but that will soon be over.

>>12114

Idk about Signal but simplex does not have centralized servers, also like i said the whole terms and services stuff is for the app and shouldn't the simplex being open sourced be a plus point?

> cy-x.net is open source, decentralized

Also in what way cy-x.net is decentralized? It's just a website and even forums like breachforums couldn't decentralize, i think you might have a misunderstanding about decentralized networks (unless you are talking about cy-x.net on XMPP), also i don't see any links to the source code but it doesn't matter cause its a website, all i am saying that cy-x.net should have bridge to a cy-x.net group on simplex, cause its better for decentralisation and anonymity, i hope this explains it and clears and confusion to anyone ;)

>>12140

God damn at this point. I think you might be part of that so called "digital cargo cult", if any mods is reading this, just banned this guy ip, not because he is bad or anything, its just that he doesn't understand anything, like he is desperately trying to not become a "normie", yet he doesn't even know that a website shows different contents on different devices, i am sounding like dead horse at this point but again put some effort the button is right there.

and this whole thing about Laptops/PC being better is also complete misunderstanding, it doesn't matter if you are using a laptop or a pc, if you are on windows then i would say its even worse than smart phones at this point, also you can run simplex on desktop very easily (it even has a cli version), like it shouldn't even be a problem, you can just use the package manager (if you know what that is), hell even windows have winget package manager now.

XMPP is good enough

>>12149
Calm down, I was just looking in the main menu and there was no download, I did not know in the very bottom right corner there is a little symbol.
A Computer is better regardless what you run, because a phone will always track you and your phone calls are listened to regardless of what you install on it, this does not happem with desktop ever, because it is not a phone.

>>12149
Calm down, I was just looking in the main menu and there was no download, I did not know in the very bottom right corner there is a little symbol.
A Computer is better regardless what you run, because a phone will always track you and your phone calls are listened to regardless of what you install on it, this does not happem with desktop ever, because it is not a phone.

>>12152

Man he really said it windows is better than android, i mean both are bad but a good android phone without any bloatware is 10 times better.

> A Computer is better regardless what you run, because a phone will always track you and your phone calls are listened to regardless of what you install on it, this does not happem with desktop ever, because it is not a phone.

What is a phone? A computer, "ohh it does not happens with desktop ever", for all you know there is backdoor in your cpu, man this is really naive thinking and do they listen to our calls? ofc they do, so what's the solution? don't make phone calls, the best way to check whether your phone (which is computer btw) is compromised is to use wireshark or for easy solution monitior your network with Pi-hole or AD Guard Home

> Calm down, I was just looking in the main menu and there was no download, I did not know in the very bottom right corner there is a little symbol.

Ohh so you could see all those mobile links but not the windows and linux icons as to your prior reply, honestly downloading a software should not even be a problem for guy who is so concerned about privacy.

>>12156
>a good android phone without any bloatware is 10 times better.
For watching TikToks and playing Candy Crush?
>What is a phone? A computer
With a locked down bootloader and a shitty touchscreen that encourages passive content consumption and low effort posting?
>there is backdoor in your cpu
And how often is it used?

A smartphone is not a computer, it is a phone with a castrated computer added. I mean maybe you can get it as safe as a computer by removing everything that makes it a phone, but that would require probably some angle grinder or so opening the case and removing the spyware hardware and at that point you might as well just use a regular computer.
Maybe computers have spyware in them, there is some probability that is higher than zero, but in a phone the probability is basically 100% and I chose the statistically better option.

And sorry for not finding the download link, my subconsciousness filters out everything that is called "App" and those QR codes people send me as I have no device to use them. The site is just badly designed, because its one of those scroll sites and once you scrolled the small direct link icons are gone, from then on you need to find downloads under "references" which is a weird category I never saw anywhere else so I ignored it.

>>12162

> For watching TikToks and playing Candy Crush?

Dude tf are you talking, what i said was in context of default trackers and privacy, ofc you can't code on a smart phone.

> With a locked down bootloader.

Idk about you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but i have custom a ROM and TWRP recovery.

> shitty touchscreen that encourages passive content consumption and low effort posting?

Who tf is telling you to use like that, like you can ultimately use it however you want, can't you?

> And how often is it used?

No backdoor is often used, it doesn't matter if its Linux, Android, Windows or etc.. They only use if they suspect something that is hurting them.

>>12165

> A smartphone is not a computer, it is a phone with a castrated computer added. I mean maybe you can get it as safe as a computer by removing everything that makes it a phone, but that would require probably some angle grinder or so opening the case and removing the spyware hardware and at that point you might as well just use a regular computer.
Maybe computers have spyware in them, there is some probability that is higher than zero, but in a phone the probability is basically 100% and I chose the statistically better option.

That is the one of 100 most retarded thing I have ever heard, so congrats 👏

"but in a phone the probability is basically 100% and I chose the statistically better option."

Do you realize it is way easier for them to put a backdoor on intel and amd cpus than on arms chips cause many company's make arm chips but even that aside smartphone being better wasn't even the point, the point was windows being worse for privacy by "default" right now and you can check that with wireshark, also Android have different flavors, so they result may differ.

> And sorry for not finding the download link, my subconsciousness filters out everything that is called "App

Again this whole subconscious not finding is also bs, cause at the end of the day, aren't you using a some stupid app to do a x thing?

> QR codes people send me as I have no device to use them.

For the love of god, do you realize that there is something called a "link"

Also you should stop downloading apps from websites, i agree that some small percentage of people like you may have found it difficult to download app from the site, so the thing i would recommend is to learn your OS package manager, which is way privacy focused and efficient way to install applications, and i am also sorry for the way i lashed out cause to me doesn't make sense someone having problems downloading an application.

>>12169
I have no idea about custom ROMs, I do not trust anything on phone, Android will become locked down in 155 days https://keepandroidopen.org/ so enjoy it while it still lasts.

Backdoors are usually used all the time, what is the point in having a backdoor, if it is not used? Most smart devices collect all data by default and then send it somewhere to someone, so of course there is no need for a backdoor, because everything that can be spied on is already spied on by default.

Regarding packet manager Simplex is in some custom repo, it is not that easy.

But this forum thread is about if Simplex is good or not, not how to install it.

It is not yet reviewed on shadowiki https://shadow.lifestyle/im.xhtml
The only two approved Messengers remain to be IRC and XMPP

As far as my experience with SimpleX chat has gone, it seems that it relies heavily on it's centralized servers to discover other users. when I want to share my contact with someone, my user ID (or address as they call it) is not on a decentralized server of my choice like when using XMPP, it has a single repeated domain or subdomains that can be attacked and used to provide decoy accounts.
> https://smpN.simplex.im/a#<Gibbrish>
This single point in design can be the downfall of the whole protocol if we call it a protocol, I would respect it if it achieved the smp://<user_id.chat> level which then it becomes a great tool just like tor, i2p ...etc.
it's still better than whatsapp and telegram, but not better than XMPP and IRC.