some is still superior to what we use now

they phsical abilities and skills were also superior to some degree to us now

mah we came from hell so they must be so advanced to have lived there

hell is cold?

in zoroastrianism yes

heaven is actually cold, go up into heaven and notice it will get cold

so heaven is cold

if you dig down it gets warmer

so hell is hot

qed

not actually heaven as in lets go up to the sky

seems you are not a flat earther

heaven is a physical place

it is up

are you pharaoh or something

at the north pole is a mountain that reaces into the heavens

do you seriously think we can go and make ourselves like a tower and reach heaven just by a big staircase

so you may physically access heaven at the north pole

yes

if its that case then why dont we all just smuggle ourselves into heaven eh?

this probably already exists

you can try

but they will stop you

niggy what the hell are you doing here just smuggle yourself into heaven if its so easy lmao

:::)

its cold

you would need a ship

I'm not a viking

why is heaven cold that doesnt sound heavenly

why you ask me

I did not make it that way

when i think of traditional heaven i think of comfort and easiness

why the hell is this cold ass place called heaven?

why could it ever be heaven?

because its heaven

>lmao mah we didn't come from hell we aCTuALly Came frOM hEAveN isn't that so sUBvErSiVE?

in gnosticism there is the concept of being born from above and born from below

:::)

cont.

some christians teach that you have to be a good person to achieve salvation but in gnostiticm it is already predetermined

if you are born from above you are already saved

and if you are born from below you can never be saved

probably a reason why they suppressed gnostiticsm

it would turn everything they believe upsidedown

niggers would be even more niggers when they were told there is no way of them to achieve salvation

they will go to hell no matter what they do

and the others will go to heaven also no matter what they d o

know you as far as you think

thats not morality that's just segregation

I just said there is this concept in gnosticism

segregation is morality

segregation of people's nature by people's conduct

or would you consider it moral if you would be put into a cage together with pigs?

evocative language... kkeep us with the facts maybe

its not peoples conduct its gods conduct

peopel cannot override it

analogy hell is an intended effect of rhetoric

god is superior

i think people reflect their nature through their conduct

if they don't reflect their nature through their conduct, then the whole world might as well be a giant fantasy and nothing is important whatsoever and run naked in the streets and tell them its karma or some nonsense

sure we are fated to our ends, but our reality should reflect the truth even if in part

the truth is gnosticism is heresy because it is opposing to everything, and face first offers that our world is not just

which makes being alive pointless. what the hell should we be doing in a world which isn't just, right?

zoroastrian conflict theology where the whole idea is that there are two gods the monad and the demiorgos

and they fight each other o algo

opposing what

the reason we are in this world is because the demiurge trapped the souls

yeah we should not be here

o so the demiorgos is powerful enough to do something outside of divine will

apparently all powerful god didn't just stop arbitrary force of evil even though it would harm his creation ultimately

i'm not very happy with parts of gnosticism, but i am with others

he tricked the souls

and the souls have free will

yea its a le trick

i guess taking it literally is the problem

its fine mah gnostics already were telling people to seek for knowledge out in themselves

people don't care for knowledge

people often blame others or the world or god for all the things but they were actually told everything

there are various scriptures available to anyone

sup