>>21581
>marine strike cruiser arrives in orbit
>says join the imperium of man willingly or unwillingly, 24 hours
>we take too long to reply
>drop pods slam into pentagon and terminators teleport into underground structures.
>everyone in the building is massacred within an hour
>any military response outside is substantially destroyed by the incoming retrieval thubderhawks or mild orbital munitions.
>immediate brain and leadership drain throws US leadership into disarray
>marines are back on their strike cruiser re-arming and hitting their next targets in Russia and China within an hour.
>this tempo continues without stop, hour after hour for a month.
>Military assets mostly remain, but military leadership is utterly annihilated
>another offering of compliance
>earth responds with nuclear missiles at the ship in orbit, they do nothing.
>strike cruiser glasses Major population centers from orbit
>final offer
>we finally comply.
How practical would warhammer 40k weaponry and armor be irl?
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Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 15:33:30
>>21603
>earth responds with nuclear missiles at the ship in orbit, they do nothing.
Bullshit, Void shields are magic but it's not invincible magic. Enough missiles and it's blasted out of the sky.
>waaah waah more will come
With how shit Imperial FTL is, we can outproduce their initial fleets with nuclear ordnance. The issue would be getting Planet Cracked in return but 40k ships need to arrive at the edge of a system because emotions inside of it make Warp jumps too dangerous, at which point they're hauling ass with sublights for weeks, if not months.
It would be a mostly lost cause in really long run because Imperium at large outproduces Earth my a large factor, but Earth would absolutely bloody the Imperium'a nose.
>earth responds with nuclear missiles at the ship in orbit, they do nothing.
Bullshit, Void shields are magic but it's not invincible magic. Enough missiles and it's blasted out of the sky.
>waaah waah more will come
With how shit Imperial FTL is, we can outproduce their initial fleets with nuclear ordnance. The issue would be getting Planet Cracked in return but 40k ships need to arrive at the edge of a system because emotions inside of it make Warp jumps too dangerous, at which point they're hauling ass with sublights for weeks, if not months.
It would be a mostly lost cause in really long run because Imperium at large outproduces Earth my a large factor, but Earth would absolutely bloody the Imperium'a nose.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 16:20:00
>>21604
bruh something that can do space combat effectively would have no issue detecting and delting a big fat stinker coming super slow, fighting againt the gravity of a very big rock.
bruh something that can do space combat effectively would have no issue detecting and delting a big fat stinker coming super slow, fighting againt the gravity of a very big rock.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 16:22:11
>>21594
How the fuck? Are they running on steam engines?
How the fuck? Are they running on steam engines?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 16:22:54
>>21606
It's just a magic combustion engine that can work on anything.
It's just a magic combustion engine that can work on anything.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 16:29:21
>>21607
I can even buy a combustion engine running on used fry oil, corn syrup, or even human farts for that matter, but how does one make it go on wood
I can even buy a combustion engine running on used fry oil, corn syrup, or even human farts for that matter, but how does one make it go on wood
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 17:12:59
>>21603
>>immediate brain and leadership drain throws US leadership into disarray
I am almost certain that crucial state functions like hospitals, the local DMV and library, etc. are actually capable of functioning without politicians. You'll still need a few bureaucrats to just tick a box to keep the budget flowing but not much more. And who's authorising nuclear missiles once earth's leadership is gone? And why?
>>immediate brain and leadership drain throws US leadership into disarray
I am almost certain that crucial state functions like hospitals, the local DMV and library, etc. are actually capable of functioning without politicians. You'll still need a few bureaucrats to just tick a box to keep the budget flowing but not much more. And who's authorising nuclear missiles once earth's leadership is gone? And why?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 17:18:24
>>21574
>His answer to all the counterarguments is that the space marines chapter includes a space fleet
Like no shit man, why did you even bother writing anything else?
>His answer to all the counterarguments is that the space marines chapter includes a space fleet
Like no shit man, why did you even bother writing anything else?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:05:39
>>21609
We’re talking about being able to adequately make a military defense against such a threat. What do hospitals and civil infrastructure et al have to do with it? The pentagon is mostly filled with military and military contractors.
We’re talking about being able to adequately make a military defense against such a threat. What do hospitals and civil infrastructure et al have to do with it? The pentagon is mostly filled with military and military contractors.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:09:29
>>21609
>Who's authorizing.
There are extensive leadership, political and military, succession plans. After a certain level, you start get people who are substantially less and less qualified for such authority.
Besides, it’s a hypothetical, what if nukes were used at first? Perhaps the reaction would be the same. Regardless the premise is that Earth doesn’t comply.
>Who's authorizing.
There are extensive leadership, political and military, succession plans. After a certain level, you start get people who are substantially less and less qualified for such authority.
Besides, it’s a hypothetical, what if nukes were used at first? Perhaps the reaction would be the same. Regardless the premise is that Earth doesn’t comply.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:10:24
>>21553
>lasgun
Only practical due to logistics, every other metric lasers absolutely SUCK for infantry.
>bolter
Overcomplicated and underpowered.
>plasma
Great way to cook your own troops.
>melta
Holy fuck increase the range plz.
>grav
Pretty good.
>volkite
Unfortunately rare.
>lasgun
Only practical due to logistics, every other metric lasers absolutely SUCK for infantry.
>bolter
Overcomplicated and underpowered.
>plasma
Great way to cook your own troops.
>melta
Holy fuck increase the range plz.
>grav
Pretty good.
>volkite
Unfortunately rare.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:32:42
>>21574
Retard the only circumstances a Space Marine Chapter could take on the earth in are coincidentally the exact circumstances ***I*** could take on the earth in. i.e. hovering at a safe range and taking pot shots with nukes from space.
Retard the only circumstances a Space Marine Chapter could take on the earth in are coincidentally the exact circumstances ***I*** could take on the earth in. i.e. hovering at a safe range and taking pot shots with nukes from space.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:43:01
>>21612
Imperium ships can hide within star coronas anon, your nukes are trash tier backwater world orbital defenses in the setting.
Imperium ships can hide within star coronas anon, your nukes are trash tier backwater world orbital defenses in the setting.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:44:29
>>21614
Shall we start with the "you can't even defeat x" now?
Shall we start with the "you can't even defeat x" now?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:45:49
>>21609
>crucial state functions like hospitals, the local DMV and library, etc. are actually capable of functioning without politicians
they can function without politicians but they can't function without water and electricity which the marines will hit because the Imperium dgaf about "war crimes"
>crucial state functions like hospitals, the local DMV and library, etc. are actually capable of functioning without politicians
they can function without politicians but they can't function without water and electricity which the marines will hit because the Imperium dgaf about "war crimes"
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:46:12
>>21608
probably external combustion like you suggested
probably external combustion like you suggested
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:50:11
>>21608
Must have some kind of wood gassifier bit, seems like a huge waste of resources though.
Must have some kind of wood gassifier bit, seems like a huge waste of resources though.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 18:51:24
>>21615
Conversely light attack vessels that can visibly damage the hulls of cruisers can be damaged by weapons a single space marine can lug around.
Conversely light attack vessels that can visibly damage the hulls of cruisers can be damaged by weapons a single space marine can lug around.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 19:43:44
>>21603
>terminators teleport into underground structures
You know they'd die right? Nothing we have is built for that size. Space Marines would be completely unable to operate within most conventional structures.
>terminators teleport into underground structures
You know they'd die right? Nothing we have is built for that size. Space Marines would be completely unable to operate within most conventional structures.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 20:33:26
>>21603
nuclear weapons are statted in rogue trader and are quite potent
nuclear weapons are statted in rogue trader and are quite potent
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 22:39:44
>>21620
Yeah, it's called strapping a big fuckoff weapon to a shuttle and it's the main way Ork space fleets remain competitive when otherwise their ships (when they are actual ships and not just asteroids) are several generations behind everyone else's.
Yeah, it's called strapping a big fuckoff weapon to a shuttle and it's the main way Ork space fleets remain competitive when otherwise their ships (when they are actual ships and not just asteroids) are several generations behind everyone else's.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 22:45:14
>>21623
Aldo because they're a horde army and don't fear death.
Aldo because they're a horde army and don't fear death.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 23:33:41
>>21605
Forget the power of science and technology anon. 40k is about cargo cults done by western culture. They get hit by all sorts of things which a civilization that knew what it was doing would not.
>>21603
Space Marines are a VDV analogy. They will crush the first thing they meet the first time, then gas out and die in a cinematic last stand with lots of suspiciously pseudo-manly groaning.
Forget the power of science and technology anon. 40k is about cargo cults done by western culture. They get hit by all sorts of things which a civilization that knew what it was doing would not.
>>21603
Space Marines are a VDV analogy. They will crush the first thing they meet the first time, then gas out and die in a cinematic last stand with lots of suspiciously pseudo-manly groaning.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 23:38:20
>>21568
>Women in 40k
Gay
>Women in 40k
Gay
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 23:51:06
>>21562
the thing that gets me about space marines is that they're supposed to be these super elite troopers trained to do orbital strikes and special ops shit, but they also have tanks and artillery units that no one else has and entire chapters dedicated to siege warfare. it's like if delta force had a special mlrs just for them that isn't even air droppable and if there was a seal team trained for trench warfare.
the thing that gets me about space marines is that they're supposed to be these super elite troopers trained to do orbital strikes and special ops shit, but they also have tanks and artillery units that no one else has and entire chapters dedicated to siege warfare. it's like if delta force had a special mlrs just for them that isn't even air droppable and if there was a seal team trained for trench warfare.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 23:53:53
>>21627
Leftovers from when they really were whole armies where hundreds of thousands would be deployed on single campaigns from the great crusade. And 10,000 years later some of them never managed to fully switch gears to high speed low drag stuff because culture moves at the speed of cold molasses in 40k.
Leftovers from when they really were whole armies where hundreds of thousands would be deployed on single campaigns from the great crusade. And 10,000 years later some of them never managed to fully switch gears to high speed low drag stuff because culture moves at the speed of cold molasses in 40k.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 23:55:05
Are chainswords practical?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-03 23:56:24
I prefer orks.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 00:05:20
>>21628
they have brand new Primaris(tm) tanks now that are like the old tanks but hovering and with brownings on them.
they have brand new Primaris(tm) tanks now that are like the old tanks but hovering and with brownings on them.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 01:00:13
>>21629
The eldar ones sure, because they only start sawing once they've hit an enemy, thus they aren't constantly giving your position away.
The eldar ones sure, because they only start sawing once they've hit an enemy, thus they aren't constantly giving your position away.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 01:35:29
>>21564
Nah bro it's because the lore was made by British nerds in the 80's who didn't understand military hardware, they just had basic reference books from the library and a boner for technical-sounding jargon. Like there's no point in trying to justify nonsense that is clearly the result of uninformed creators.
Nah bro it's because the lore was made by British nerds in the 80's who didn't understand military hardware, they just had basic reference books from the library and a boner for technical-sounding jargon. Like there's no point in trying to justify nonsense that is clearly the result of uninformed creators.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 02:09:35
If a codex compliant chapter of 1000 SMs were to invade Earth
>each marine has to police an area roughly equivalent of the State of New York
>a population of 8 million people for each marine to govern over
>Take out 60k active/reserve duty soldiers per marine not including emergency conscriptions
>Take out 70 MBTs per marines
>14 fighter jets
>20 helicopters
>some 50~100 cruise missile stockpiles
>Ukraine front alone sees 3k~5k FPV drone usage per day. Imagine that on global scale
I know that the fanboys are eager to prove how "strong" the marines are, but the argument would have been much better if Imperium simply brought a small fleet and an auxiliary IG detachment.
Outdated 1980s British nerd design is one thing, but the sheer scale of things can just shit hard on the marines.
>Just glass the Earth
Then why even bother with marines?
>each marine has to police an area roughly equivalent of the State of New York
>a population of 8 million people for each marine to govern over
>Take out 60k active/reserve duty soldiers per marine not including emergency conscriptions
>Take out 70 MBTs per marines
>14 fighter jets
>20 helicopters
>some 50~100 cruise missile stockpiles
>Ukraine front alone sees 3k~5k FPV drone usage per day. Imagine that on global scale
I know that the fanboys are eager to prove how "strong" the marines are, but the argument would have been much better if Imperium simply brought a small fleet and an auxiliary IG detachment.
Outdated 1980s British nerd design is one thing, but the sheer scale of things can just shit hard on the marines.
>Just glass the Earth
Then why even bother with marines?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 02:16:46
>>21629
Melee in 40k is carried by the fact that monomolecular blades are both common and cheap, even the common knives carried by enlisted guardsmen have atom-thick edges. Which means that something like a chainsword might actually be capable of cleaving through a target.
Melee in 40k is carried by the fact that monomolecular blades are both common and cheap, even the common knives carried by enlisted guardsmen have atom-thick edges. Which means that something like a chainsword might actually be capable of cleaving through a target.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 02:27:39
>>21634
Marines almost always supplement the Imperial Guard.
Marines almost always supplement the Imperial Guard.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 02:32:00
>>21634
>I know that the fanboys are eager to prove how "strong" the marines are, but the argument would have been much better if Imperium simply brought a small fleet and an auxiliary IG detachment.
the IG are horrendously outmatched and will get shitchanned unless the navy bombards all military concentrations of note for them.
>>21635
Monoblades are decently common but most guardsmen do not have them, the last I checked, though some regiments do have all their soldiers with monoblades.
>I know that the fanboys are eager to prove how "strong" the marines are, but the argument would have been much better if Imperium simply brought a small fleet and an auxiliary IG detachment.
the IG are horrendously outmatched and will get shitchanned unless the navy bombards all military concentrations of note for them.
>>21635
Monoblades are decently common but most guardsmen do not have them, the last I checked, though some regiments do have all their soldiers with monoblades.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 02:38:27
>>21635
since the guard on the chainsword is wider than the cutting part wouldn't it get stuck a lot?
since the guard on the chainsword is wider than the cutting part wouldn't it get stuck a lot?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 02:58:47
>>21635
>>21637
Remember that 40k is based first on rule of cool, and second on narrative convenience. Monomolecular blades are exactly as common as the writers feel is necessary.
>>21637
Remember that 40k is based first on rule of cool, and second on narrative convenience. Monomolecular blades are exactly as common as the writers feel is necessary.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 03:07:42
>>21638
The sheer width I feel is a bit of flanderization where on the models it's chunky to avoid having it be too fragile, but then artists started drawing them all like that using the models as reference and it is now forever unintentionally super fat.
The sheer width I feel is a bit of flanderization where on the models it's chunky to avoid having it be too fragile, but then artists started drawing them all like that using the models as reference and it is now forever unintentionally super fat.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 03:10:44
>>21639
>Remember that 40k is based first on rule of cool,
yeah but it's br*tish people's idea of cool so all tanks are based on the mk1, guns all have weird gas pump grips, and women all look like men.
>Remember that 40k is based first on rule of cool,
yeah but it's br*tish people's idea of cool so all tanks are based on the mk1, guns all have weird gas pump grips, and women all look like men.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 03:17:14
What stops me from AI generating a video of Emperor twerking on the throne, mind melting the Space Marines?
They would be arguing among themselves if it's real. I can tell that they have lower ability to discern deepfakes than the alpha gen simply due to lack of exposure.
They would be arguing among themselves if it's real. I can tell that they have lower ability to discern deepfakes than the alpha gen simply due to lack of exposure.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 03:27:59
>>21629
No. Chain saws need to be constantly pressed against the thing you want to chop/cut, so swinging it around like a sword would be pointless. If chain swords were real then you wouldn't swing one around and instead use it kind of like a hammer and swing it down onto whatever you want to kill and just press against it .
>>21634
Assuming that the chapter doesn't just nuke you from orbit and for this example they can't use their space ships, then the chapter would die in a week at best. Literally Russia in their dog shit state would win against a chapter.
No. Chain saws need to be constantly pressed against the thing you want to chop/cut, so swinging it around like a sword would be pointless. If chain swords were real then you wouldn't swing one around and instead use it kind of like a hammer and swing it down onto whatever you want to kill and just press against it .
>>21634
Assuming that the chapter doesn't just nuke you from orbit and for this example they can't use their space ships, then the chapter would die in a week at best. Literally Russia in their dog shit state would win against a chapter.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 03:37:38
>>21643
>Orbit
depends on high many ships, but pretty sure we could repurpose our ICBMs and kickstart space industry to nuke them, attempting to take out their mission capability.
Even if their ships were extensively used as tactical support along with ECM suite, doesn't mean we can't use manual strikes. RPGs, 40mm grenade launchers, Javelins, NLAWs, plenty of stuff to take em out even on foot. Even more so if a 50cal could be considered a "Heavy Stubber".
>Orbit
depends on high many ships, but pretty sure we could repurpose our ICBMs and kickstart space industry to nuke them, attempting to take out their mission capability.
Even if their ships were extensively used as tactical support along with ECM suite, doesn't mean we can't use manual strikes. RPGs, 40mm grenade launchers, Javelins, NLAWs, plenty of stuff to take em out even on foot. Even more so if a 50cal could be considered a "Heavy Stubber".
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 03:51:26
>>21644
Yeah I am sure our nukes and shit could knock them out, but them some more bullshit will protect them like their shielding or whatever stupid shit they have. I like 40k but the whole "Would X from 40k work IRL" or something similar is a useless argument to even have since the setting is made by a bunch of non-guns brit bongs who took fantasy and just pumped it 40k years into the future so its more of a future fantasy setting and not a sci-fi setting. IRL Space Marines would get jobbed by any decent army. The whole thing of chapters being made up of only 1000ish space marines is plain retarded but thats what I expect from the people who created it because they have no real world knowledge of how a military works. A space marine would die to a rpg or grenade launcher, the best tank in the setting would get shot from 5kms from a US tank in seconds before they can even react. The whole setting is stupid the moment you try to apply real world logic into it.
We are talking about a setting where:
>Space ships exist that have the fire power and tech to glass a whole planet in a matter of days yet they choose to fight ship battles like ships of the line.
>You got advanced weapons that can kill people from 1km+ yet you have sword duels nearly every battle.
>You have advanced fighters that can go from orbit down into the planet yet they fight like WW2 dog fighters.
The setting isn't supposed to work IRL because it was meant to be over the top and what matters at the end is that we get to read, play, or see some cool space people kill other space people.
Yeah I am sure our nukes and shit could knock them out, but them some more bullshit will protect them like their shielding or whatever stupid shit they have. I like 40k but the whole "Would X from 40k work IRL" or something similar is a useless argument to even have since the setting is made by a bunch of non-guns brit bongs who took fantasy and just pumped it 40k years into the future so its more of a future fantasy setting and not a sci-fi setting. IRL Space Marines would get jobbed by any decent army. The whole thing of chapters being made up of only 1000ish space marines is plain retarded but thats what I expect from the people who created it because they have no real world knowledge of how a military works. A space marine would die to a rpg or grenade launcher, the best tank in the setting would get shot from 5kms from a US tank in seconds before they can even react. The whole setting is stupid the moment you try to apply real world logic into it.
We are talking about a setting where:
>Space ships exist that have the fire power and tech to glass a whole planet in a matter of days yet they choose to fight ship battles like ships of the line.
>You got advanced weapons that can kill people from 1km+ yet you have sword duels nearly every battle.
>You have advanced fighters that can go from orbit down into the planet yet they fight like WW2 dog fighters.
The setting isn't supposed to work IRL because it was meant to be over the top and what matters at the end is that we get to read, play, or see some cool space people kill other space people.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 03:59:15
>>21645
>shielding
Imperium ships do have shields, yes. That is why titans are such a big deal, because they mount the same shields that you would usually only see a starship packing. Ditto for their weapons.
>shielding
Imperium ships do have shields, yes. That is why titans are such a big deal, because they mount the same shields that you would usually only see a starship packing. Ditto for their weapons.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 04:05:28
>>21562
>when deployed offensively it is in brutal lightning raids where they are in and out before logistics becomes an issue
Most of the Space Marine's adaptions and cybernetic implants are for long missions, and the lore is full of examples of extremely long campaigns and missions. When Warhammer was first made, SF were a notable capability for doing longer missions with less logistic support than regular forces - the fact that GW bolter wank fangays now associate them with modern SF tropes just demonstrates that the series has no authenticity at all and is just fantasy fulfillment for immature men of poor intellect.
>when deployed offensively it is in brutal lightning raids where they are in and out before logistics becomes an issue
Most of the Space Marine's adaptions and cybernetic implants are for long missions, and the lore is full of examples of extremely long campaigns and missions. When Warhammer was first made, SF were a notable capability for doing longer missions with less logistic support than regular forces - the fact that GW bolter wank fangays now associate them with modern SF tropes just demonstrates that the series has no authenticity at all and is just fantasy fulfillment for immature men of poor intellect.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 04:14:09
>imperial guard leave behind their Voxcaster, device with a complexity of a child's dial phone, every battalion uses the same frequency
>tech priest croaks while performing the sacred right of jerking off transistors, get access to their network (encryption so basic script kiddie could get through it), upload 20 petabytes worth of Bonzibuddies their shitty network cannot handle it, surface communication becomes impossible, tech priests screech something about "muh scrapcode", priests waste their time waving around censers
>tech priest croaks while performing the sacred right of jerking off transistors, get access to their network (encryption so basic script kiddie could get through it), upload 20 petabytes worth of Bonzibuddies their shitty network cannot handle it, surface communication becomes impossible, tech priests screech something about "muh scrapcode", priests waste their time waving around censers
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 04:20:30
>>21648
Any guardsmen that leaves behind equipment becomes the equipment(servitorization). Great incentive to make sure you are returning your issued gear.
Any guardsmen that leaves behind equipment becomes the equipment(servitorization). Great incentive to make sure you are returning your issued gear.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 04:27:39
>>21629
Rogal Dorn was like one of three people who understood this was a tool first, and a weapon a very distant second.
Rogal Dorn was like one of three people who understood this was a tool first, and a weapon a very distant second.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 04:29:05
>>21650
And yet he used one as his personal weapon, curious.
And yet he used one as his personal weapon, curious.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 04:30:11
>>21645
>Would X from 40k work IRL" or something similar is a useless argument to even have since the setting is made by a bunch of non-guns brit bongs who took fantasy and just pumped it 40k years into the future so its more of a future fantasy setting and not a sci-fi setting.
I get what you are saying. Yeah sci fi templars with guns and swords have zero logic, but what-ifs are always fun - scratches our weapon and lore autism.
>Would X from 40k work IRL" or something similar is a useless argument to even have since the setting is made by a bunch of non-guns brit bongs who took fantasy and just pumped it 40k years into the future so its more of a future fantasy setting and not a sci-fi setting.
I get what you are saying. Yeah sci fi templars with guns and swords have zero logic, but what-ifs are always fun - scratches our weapon and lore autism.
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