>>20710
Intentional spelling errors are the only proof we currently have that something is not aj AI generated bot.
I know I'm real. You don't even know what -is- real.
>jew! Jeet!
Fuck off cunt. Let's go back to the initial claim
>in a complete all out total war USA wouldn't even be able to field 6.8 supply
Complete bullshit.
in the age of body-armour 5.56 just doesn't cut it anymore
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Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 20:59:18
>>20711
Mr. Cohen is now schizo and converted to Islam?
>in a complete all out total war USA wouldn't even be able to field 6.8 supply
Please provide the number of 6.8mm rounds stockpiled versus combined ALL AVAILABLE 7.62x51mm and 5.56 because 6.8 is supposed to replace both.
Mr. Cohen is now schizo and converted to Islam?
>in a complete all out total war USA wouldn't even be able to field 6.8 supply
Please provide the number of 6.8mm rounds stockpiled versus combined ALL AVAILABLE 7.62x51mm and 5.56 because 6.8 is supposed to replace both.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:08:41
>>20712
Your mom was so gay for cock she took miles of it just to give tye world the failed abortion that is you.
Your mom was so gay for cock she took miles of it just to give tye world the failed abortion that is you.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:11:27
>>20705
Your willful ignorance is not our problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtjG8nr-zOM
Your willful ignorance is not our problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtjG8nr-zOM
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:13:06
>>20706
25 round mags, and you are desperately flinging shit at the wall hoping something sticks because you cannot name a single variable where 7.62x51 is superior to the new 6.8 round.
25 round mags, and you are desperately flinging shit at the wall hoping something sticks because you cannot name a single variable where 7.62x51 is superior to the new 6.8 round.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:16:25
>>20715
Millions of rounds already in storage and circulation, existing manufacturing on a massive scale, way more guns for it, and larger core mass. You're ignoring posts because you're here in bad faith.
Millions of rounds already in storage and circulation, existing manufacturing on a massive scale, way more guns for it, and larger core mass. You're ignoring posts because you're here in bad faith.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:16:47
>>20715
>25 round mags,
Wonder why these aren't standard.
>because you cannot name a single variable where 7.62x51 is superior to the new 6.8 round.
Did you not read my post? It doesn't matter if it's better, for all practical purposes it's basically the same and any advantages are wasted in the context of the M7 and its issuance as a standard infantry rifle.
>25 round mags,
Wonder why these aren't standard.
>because you cannot name a single variable where 7.62x51 is superior to the new 6.8 round.
Did you not read my post? It doesn't matter if it's better, for all practical purposes it's basically the same and any advantages are wasted in the context of the M7 and its issuance as a standard infantry rifle.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:17:41
>>20717
>Wonder why these aren't standard.
For the Army? They are.
>Wonder why these aren't standard.
For the Army? They are.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:19:51
>>20716
You say I am the one arguing in bad faith as you pretend the Army replacing 7.62x51 with 6.8 means that all the existing stocks of 7.62x51 get thrown away.
You say I am the one arguing in bad faith as you pretend the Army replacing 7.62x51 with 6.8 means that all the existing stocks of 7.62x51 get thrown away.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:20:20
>>20715
>25 round mags,
nigga post your full-powered rifle rn because what kind of retard thinks 25rd 7.62 NATO mags are reasonably sized? those are a pain in the dick when prone, which is exactly why they aren't fucking issued.
>25 round mags,
nigga post your full-powered rifle rn because what kind of retard thinks 25rd 7.62 NATO mags are reasonably sized? those are a pain in the dick when prone, which is exactly why they aren't fucking issued.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:20:37
thankfully this """"thread""" only has 100 posts remaining
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:20:49
>>20715
Wait hang on lemme keep going
1. Larger mags already available
2. Way more spare parts!
3. Reloading supplies out the ass
4. Greater projectile diameter and mass, so all things considered 7.62x51mm loads will have better terminal ballistics if design equal to 6.8 counterparts.
5. WAY BETTER EXISTING AP LOADS. There's a lot more M993 and M1158 out there than XM1184, which is half the point of the NGSW in the first place!
>>20717
Still way less ammo carried than 5.56.
Wait hang on lemme keep going
1. Larger mags already available
2. Way more spare parts!
3. Reloading supplies out the ass
4. Greater projectile diameter and mass, so all things considered 7.62x51mm loads will have better terminal ballistics if design equal to 6.8 counterparts.
5. WAY BETTER EXISTING AP LOADS. There's a lot more M993 and M1158 out there than XM1184, which is half the point of the NGSW in the first place!
>>20717
Still way less ammo carried than 5.56.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:22:02
>>20719
>replacing 7.62x51 with 6.8 means that all the existing stocks of 7.62x51 get thrown away.
So is the 6.8 replacing 7.62 or not?
>>20720
He's schizo
I'm gonna send SIG a fucking invoice for wasting my time.
>replacing 7.62x51 with 6.8 means that all the existing stocks of 7.62x51 get thrown away.
So is the 6.8 replacing 7.62 or not?
>>20720
He's schizo
I'm gonna send SIG a fucking invoice for wasting my time.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:24:14
>>20715
noticing you didn't even really counter his post, you just kept on shrieking about how much better 6.8 is.
noticing you didn't even really counter his post, you just kept on shrieking about how much better 6.8 is.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:24:48
>>20720
NTA, I have 10 round turkshit shotgun mags that use the same pouches and they are fucking impossible to prone with. I feel your pain.
NTA, I have 10 round turkshit shotgun mags that use the same pouches and they are fucking impossible to prone with. I feel your pain.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:25:59
Every single time we have this thread some mindrotted SIGger comes out of the woodwork and screams things that make it clear he's never shot a 7.62 anything and is jizzing over paper stats like a gamer.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:28:24
>>20713
Gonna email SIG a screengrab and demand maximum compensation for your unprofessional shilling.
Gonna email SIG a screengrab and demand maximum compensation for your unprofessional shilling.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:29:39
>>20720
> what kind of retard thinks 25rd 7.62 NATO mags are reasonably sized?
Someone who expects all your shooting to be done offhand and standing. This shit is just stupid, I'd honestly prefer the regularass 20rd because just looking at this from the standpoint of a guy who does rifle matches is making me wince.
> what kind of retard thinks 25rd 7.62 NATO mags are reasonably sized?
Someone who expects all your shooting to be done offhand and standing. This shit is just stupid, I'd honestly prefer the regularass 20rd because just looking at this from the standpoint of a guy who does rifle matches is making me wince.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:30:44
>>20728
Jesus christ the bipod is gonna be the size of two Ron Jeremies.
Jesus christ the bipod is gonna be the size of two Ron Jeremies.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:33:58
>>20728
>make the already-too-short barrel shorter and throw in a 8" long mag too
the only way this program can get more retarded is if the suppressor goes out the window to save cost/weight and they actually go through with reverting to the training ammo like the rumor floating around was suggesting
>make the already-too-short barrel shorter and throw in a 8" long mag too
the only way this program can get more retarded is if the suppressor goes out the window to save cost/weight and they actually go through with reverting to the training ammo like the rumor floating around was suggesting
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:36:16
>>20729
>the bipod
The fact the rifle isn't issued with one has been a source of hilarity for me for years, I guess they're just gonna let the 11Bs YOLO it when they use it at the DMR-distances they've built the weapon around.
>the bipod
The fact the rifle isn't issued with one has been a source of hilarity for me for years, I guess they're just gonna let the 11Bs YOLO it when they use it at the DMR-distances they've built the weapon around.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:36:28
>>20730
I can make it worse.
They're gonna make it subsonic, to you know, save on hearing damage VA claims, and then ditch the suppressors. Oh, wait, and they'll force everyone to use a thermal with a proprietary battery instead of 18650s or CR123s then the company making the batteries is gonna go tits up because the CEO had 10TB of kiddie porn on a 30 year old computer and everyone is gonna have to use irons.
Wait shit it doesn't have irons.
I can make it worse.
They're gonna make it subsonic, to you know, save on hearing damage VA claims, and then ditch the suppressors. Oh, wait, and they'll force everyone to use a thermal with a proprietary battery instead of 18650s or CR123s then the company making the batteries is gonna go tits up because the CEO had 10TB of kiddie porn on a 30 year old computer and everyone is gonna have to use irons.
Wait shit it doesn't have irons.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:38:16
>>20731
No man they have to monopod it off the mag in full kit with their back bent upwards like goddamn Arma 3, which is the only place where this gun doesn't suck (it's in mods) and then the mag is going to overinsert and jam the gun the fuck up.
No man they have to monopod it off the mag in full kit with their back bent upwards like goddamn Arma 3, which is the only place where this gun doesn't suck (it's in mods) and then the mag is going to overinsert and jam the gun the fuck up.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:42:56
>>20728
This is the equivalent of some deskjocky learning that 40rd PMAGs exist and making them the default branchwide without understanding exactly why 30rd mags for intermediate cartridges has been the standard for a half century
This is the equivalent of some deskjocky learning that 40rd PMAGs exist and making them the default branchwide without understanding exactly why 30rd mags for intermediate cartridges has been the standard for a half century
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:46:56
nuSIG = gay slop
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:48:29
>>20728
>>20734
>pictures that make you physically feel having your rifle smack into a doorframe
>>20734
>pictures that make you physically feel having your rifle smack into a doorframe
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 21:49:26
Fifty years from now people are gonna find out SIG did some shady shit or something to get all these contracts and the people will be left holding the bag.
150k PSI M4A8s ON MARS MOTHERFUCKERS
150k PSI M4A8s ON MARS MOTHERFUCKERS
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:01:54
Anyone else find it hilarious Mr. Cohen fucked off the moment anon started bullshitting about sending SIG an invoice?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:10:11
>>20511
>>20513
5.56 FMJ out of a full size barrel penetrates steel better than 308 FMJ, 5.56 AP penetrates some level IVs, which are defined by their ability to stop 308 AP
>>20513
5.56 FMJ out of a full size barrel penetrates steel better than 308 FMJ, 5.56 AP penetrates some level IVs, which are defined by their ability to stop 308 AP
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:12:20
>>20588
>>20551
Every five to ten years for the last forty years the military has announced some radical new change in rifle caliber that goes fucking nowhere because 5.56 hasn't ever actually been a problem once and all the logistics are in place for it.
Retards fall for it every single time.
>>20551
Every five to ten years for the last forty years the military has announced some radical new change in rifle caliber that goes fucking nowhere because 5.56 hasn't ever actually been a problem once and all the logistics are in place for it.
Retards fall for it every single time.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:15:15
>>20728
>anons fall for a miss sized shoop
look at the optic
>anons fall for a miss sized shoop
look at the optic
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:17:03
>>20739
>level IVs, which are defined by their ability to stop 308 AP
You know you could have checked Wikipedia before posting this. Level IV is a .30-06 M2AP steel core penetrator. If it were .308, it would be 7.62x51mm M61 AP, which is grossly inferior.
>5.56 FMJ out of a full size barrel penetrates steel better than 308 FMJ
This is correct because of steel being expressly vulnerable to velocity, but DOES NOT apply to other armor types. There are 2lb all-PE plates which will eat M193 all day but will lose like a bitch to 7.62x51mm M80 if not backed with IIIA (Gilliam GARMS RF1, for example, and various 7.62x39 MSC-rated PE plates).
>5.56 AP penetrates some level IVs
Only those which are steel or certain types of boron carbide, and ONLY if the 5.56 APs are tungsten carbide cored. Yes, steel IVs exist but they're over 12lb and rarely seen outside of garage operations selling them at gunshows, like TAC, although AR500 and Pinnacle Armor had prototypes.
Aluminum Oxide and Silicon Carbide-faced IVs of good quality will eat M995 and even better 5.56 APs like Nammo AP4 no problem. Even the Highcom 4SAS4, a total piece of shit which resulted in a big scandal in 2024, can handle AP4. Buffman once tested the Hesco 4400 to stop M995 at some ridiculous velocity like 3,800ft/s, and that's not a very good plate either.
>level IVs, which are defined by their ability to stop 308 AP
You know you could have checked Wikipedia before posting this. Level IV is a .30-06 M2AP steel core penetrator. If it were .308, it would be 7.62x51mm M61 AP, which is grossly inferior.
>5.56 FMJ out of a full size barrel penetrates steel better than 308 FMJ
This is correct because of steel being expressly vulnerable to velocity, but DOES NOT apply to other armor types. There are 2lb all-PE plates which will eat M193 all day but will lose like a bitch to 7.62x51mm M80 if not backed with IIIA (Gilliam GARMS RF1, for example, and various 7.62x39 MSC-rated PE plates).
>5.56 AP penetrates some level IVs
Only those which are steel or certain types of boron carbide, and ONLY if the 5.56 APs are tungsten carbide cored. Yes, steel IVs exist but they're over 12lb and rarely seen outside of garage operations selling them at gunshows, like TAC, although AR500 and Pinnacle Armor had prototypes.
Aluminum Oxide and Silicon Carbide-faced IVs of good quality will eat M995 and even better 5.56 APs like Nammo AP4 no problem. Even the Highcom 4SAS4, a total piece of shit which resulted in a big scandal in 2024, can handle AP4. Buffman once tested the Hesco 4400 to stop M995 at some ridiculous velocity like 3,800ft/s, and that's not a very good plate either.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:18:02
>>20740
>the military has announced some radical new change in rifle caliber
no it hasn't
>that goes fucking nowhere
6.8 is literally in service now
>the military has announced some radical new change in rifle caliber
no it hasn't
>that goes fucking nowhere
6.8 is literally in service now
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:20:15
>>20741
Chief it's gonna be the same or similar length as a 25 round 7.62x51 mag.
Chief it's gonna be the same or similar length as a 25 round 7.62x51 mag.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:20:47
>>20724
There is nothing to counter, the only meaningful thing he said was that we have stock of 7.62x51.
There is nothing to counter, the only meaningful thing he said was that we have stock of 7.62x51.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:21:23
>>20741
anon, that's the proper length of a 25rd 7.62 mag...
anon, that's the proper length of a 25rd 7.62 mag...
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:22:29
>>20745
>he only meaningful thing he said was that we have stock of 7.62x51.
that was literally never even said in the post you blithering, argument dodging idiot
>>20706
>he only meaningful thing he said was that we have stock of 7.62x51.
that was literally never even said in the post you blithering, argument dodging idiot
>>20706
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:23:01
>>20745
Please counter >>20725, >>20722, >>20720, >>20716
You're arguing against multiple anons in bad faith and this is actually starting to get sad. Like do you have stock in SIG or something?
Please counter >>20725, >>20722, >>20720, >>20716
You're arguing against multiple anons in bad faith and this is actually starting to get sad. Like do you have stock in SIG or something?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:24:05
>>20739
The Army isn't shooting lead core ammo.
The Army isn't shooting lead core ammo.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:27:35
I look at the guy running SIG and I get really fake fucking vibes from him
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:32:15
And Mr. Sigshit once again fucked off with no real arguments
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:35:02
>>20748
>12g shotgun mags
>"reloading supplies" for the US Army
>random whine about the size of 25 round mags as though that makes a difference when 7.62x51 and 6.8 use the same size mags
>focuses on 10-15gr of core mass while ignoring bc (also lies about existing AP loads)
no, these anons are grasping at straws
>12g shotgun mags
>"reloading supplies" for the US Army
>random whine about the size of 25 round mags as though that makes a difference when 7.62x51 and 6.8 use the same size mags
>focuses on 10-15gr of core mass while ignoring bc (also lies about existing AP loads)
no, these anons are grasping at straws
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:37:42
>>20751
I liked the anons whose 'arguments' were things that are identical for both 7.62x51 and 6.8 rifles.
I liked the anons whose 'arguments' were things that are identical for both 7.62x51 and 6.8 rifles.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:38:24
>>20752
1. The shotgun mags use the same pouches
2. That's for civilian adoption since we're talking cartridge to cartridge
>random whine about the size of 25 round mags as though that makes a difference when 7.62x51 and 6.8 use the same size mags
And those long johns aren't issued for good reason.
>focuses on 10-15gr of core mass
Buddy the Hesco 4403 loses to M2AP 30ft/s over spec, 15gr can absolutely make or break a penetration against certified Level IV.
>also lies about existing AP loads)
Since you're accusing me of lying, tell me the amount of XM1184 in reserve versus M61, M993, and M1158 combined.
>no, these anons are grasping at straws
Actually refute the points you unemployed motherfucker.
1. The shotgun mags use the same pouches
2. That's for civilian adoption since we're talking cartridge to cartridge
>random whine about the size of 25 round mags as though that makes a difference when 7.62x51 and 6.8 use the same size mags
And those long johns aren't issued for good reason.
>focuses on 10-15gr of core mass
Buddy the Hesco 4403 loses to M2AP 30ft/s over spec, 15gr can absolutely make or break a penetration against certified Level IV.
>also lies about existing AP loads)
Since you're accusing me of lying, tell me the amount of XM1184 in reserve versus M61, M993, and M1158 combined.
>no, these anons are grasping at straws
Actually refute the points you unemployed motherfucker.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:40:05
>>20753
Because as said by others, 6.8 is a sketchy sidegrade from 7.62x51 rifles already in saaaaarvice.
Because as said by others, 6.8 is a sketchy sidegrade from 7.62x51 rifles already in saaaaarvice.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:42:21
>>20753
Yeah, because for all practice purposes, they are the same.
Yeah, because for all practice purposes, they are the same.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:47:38
Alright so let's change topic to 6.8 armor pen.
>>20706
>it still needs tungsten core to reliably penetrate plates
XM1186 sidegrades M80A1 and will buy you RF2 defeat up close but is inferior to M2AP at NIJ spec.
Realistically you have fifteen years before the Chinese have AlMgB14 and other ceramics in play which will enable no selling XM1184 at fair weight.
>>20706
>it still needs tungsten core to reliably penetrate plates
XM1186 sidegrades M80A1 and will buy you RF2 defeat up close but is inferior to M2AP at NIJ spec.
Realistically you have fifteen years before the Chinese have AlMgB14 and other ceramics in play which will enable no selling XM1184 at fair weight.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:51:29
>>20754
>civilian use
This explains why several anons became so emotionally invested about the idea of 6.8 replacing 7.62x51, they are thinking about the investments they have made in their personal firearms rather than the US Army's position.
>civilian use
This explains why several anons became so emotionally invested about the idea of 6.8 replacing 7.62x51, they are thinking about the investments they have made in their personal firearms rather than the US Army's position.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:54:45
>>20758
Because they were comparing the cartridges apples to apples and on the merits.
Because they were comparing the cartridges apples to apples and on the merits.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-11 22:54:53
>>20753
Is this an attempt at an own? Do you think the arguments being made in that realm are done with the belief that 7.62 NATO isn't impacted by the same negative aspects?
Is this an attempt at an own? Do you think the arguments being made in that realm are done with the belief that 7.62 NATO isn't impacted by the same negative aspects?
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