How practical would warhammer 40k weaponry and armor be irl?

Canonically, their super heavy tanks are less armored than an Abrams.

>>21553
Fuck off back to your containment board.

>>21554
Checked, brits military fiction is all vibe based

>10-year conversion process, involving multiple astoundingly invasive and high-risk surgeries, starting around age 8, just to be able to wear the armor
Yeah, no. About the only country in the Venn diagram of "enough money to try" and "insane enough to try" is India, and given the stunning success of every other domestic production plan of theirs, I'm sure they will have no problem figuring out man-portable nuclear reactors.

>>21553
Assuming that we are fighting conventional warfare against humans of 21st century not interdimensional demons and aliens
>Lasgun
Is god tier
>Space marines
Good, unless they carry their emotional defects ingrained into their geneseeds and their hatred towards normal humans
>Space marine armor and weapons
Meme if without augmented soldiers
>Walkers
Trash
>Wheeled vehicles
Trash
>Tracked vehicles
More or less over engineered garbage
>Spaceships
Overkill only because there is no practical counter. Too big and sluggish for near light speed skirmishes of zipping space crafts if anyone ever builds a functional space navy
>Tau anti grav vehicles
Might be useful to overcome muddy field terrains
>Tau lasers
Good
>Tau stealth
Good
>Tau battlesuits
Meme garbage
>Human brain powered fire controls
May serve as an alternative for impoverished blockaded nations
>Melee weapons
Meme garbage

>>21553
Shit. Their gyrojet SMGs might charitably carry 30 rounds in the mag, they overwhelmingly don't carry spares and I've never heard of a space marine logistical unit; so idk who is restocking them during their long interplanetary campaigns. I think its pretty much canon that humans have the worst tech in the setting, and a lot of tech in the setting is worse than its real counterparts.

>>21559
They got bits on the sprue for mag pouches, mfers are just lazy.

>>21553
stormtrooper armor would probably be good, lasguns are good, some of the lighter genetic and cybernetic modifications would be good, non-space-marine power armor would be good after adaptation, bolters are kind've stupid unless you're a space marine. all imperial vehicles that aren't spaceships are laughably bad and the spaceships are only good because we don't have anything better currently, if we had the tech to make them we'd make them better.

pretty much all tau tech that isn't a heavy walker is extremely useful.

eldar tech is also similarily quite good, though a bit more niche and time taking to adapt it to human combat than tau tech.

idk about the dwarves.

>>21559
Marines are special forces, when deployed offensively it is in brutal lightning raids where they are in and out before logistics becomes an issue. And when they do participate in a slow grinding campaign, the marines are so few in number compared to the humans that their logistical footprint is basically zero.

>>21561
>though a bit more niche and time taking to adapt it to human combat than tau tech.

Eldar tech is all psychic based and is made out of a material that they "sing" into existence. We ain't copying any of their shit. Hell, their basic ass assault rifles don't even use propellant, they fuck with gravity to make the muzzle down as far as the rounds are concerned, and they just fall out of the barrel at such speed that they are still moving at fuck your shit speed once they re-enter a normal gravity well.

>>21554
>>21556

to be fair, most of it is tech from the dark age of technology, the imperium barely understands how to use it or make it

so its possible they are fabricating the shittiest tank model possible because they cannot replicate the nicer models

>>21558
>>Tau lasers

they are plasma

>>21563
>Eldar tech is all psychic based and is made out of a material that they "sing" into existence. We ain't copying any of their shit. Hell, their basic ass assault rifles don't even use propellant, they fuck with gravity to make the muzzle down as far as the rounds are concerned, and they just fall out of the barrel at such speed that they are still moving at fuck your shit speed once they re-enter a normal gravity well.
I am assuming that humans have all the prerequisite understanding for everything that isn't literally impossible.

>>21566
These guys used to surf on solar flares for fun. There are so many steps between that and what we have now that we couldn't even begin to reverse engineer their shit. Not to mention that most of their tech being made of materials that might be impossible for non eldar to reproduce(no other species has been shown to be able to manufacture wraithbone).

>>21559
>>21559
>I think its pretty much canon that humans have the worst tech in the setting

its... complicated

as a species, ork definitively have worse tech, and tyranids dont use tech at all

and WITHIN the imperium theres different factions, in broad terms you find 5, from worst to best tech:

>Imperial Guard
>Sisters of Battle
>Space Marines
>Adeptus Mechanicus
>Custodes

the guard gets the shittiest gear by far, they wield the weakest small arms, possess no antigrav vehicles and some of their weapons, like plasma guns, can malfunction and explode on their faces, vaporizing them

the sisters of battle do have better gear, on account of being an army subordinate to the imperial church, they get preferential treatment compared to the guard, they regularly field power armor and bolters like space marines, but weaker since they are designed for unaugmented humans

the space marines are pretty much the elite army of the imperium, due to a fairly recent lore development they now field antigrav vehicles in substantial numbers and they plasma weapons no longer explode (unless you disable the safety features for a more powerful shot)

Adeptus Mechanicus, from what i know of the lore, not many units they field are explicitly more advantaged than those of the space marines, they have antigrav tanks and lots of cyborgs, however in-lore the mechanicus build almost all the tech used by other imperial factions, and while their understanding of tech is more religious than scientific, they do have a level of understanding, so it stands to reason they MUST have the better tech compared to all other factions except...

custodes, the emperor's bodyguards, each hand made, they are the wagyu beef to the space marine's McDonalds, i think its been established their tech comes from the dark age of technology, so the Mechanicus doesnt understand it and probably cannot even replicate it, it might be comparable to tech fielded by the Tau, a nominally more advanced alien faction

>>21568
Grey Knights need an asterisk, their equipment is definitely above that of the regular marines, due to most of it having the capability of being powered up with their psyker juice.

>>21568
Tldr

>>21554
A tank is always a compromise.
So they must have more firepower or are faster and more maneuverable, right?

>>21553
Not very, and that's the intentional reading even in-universe.
Lascannons which can barely be carried by Space Marines and need a wheeled mount for normal humans used to be small enough that a regular person could comfortably hold them in their hand. In some point in the distant past, humans were capable of doing the funny Necron trick where their infantry could suppress armored vehicles. The modern Lasgun, which is probably the only piece of kit in the IG that's worth anything by its own merits/isn't something they stole off an epoch earlier human civilization, is but a pale imitation.

>>21571
the tradeoff is that they are very cheap, very reliable, and very low tech. Even the most remote backwater can support them as long as they have mid 20th century tier metalworking ability. They require large crews but that is not viewed as a downside because human life is the single cheapest resource in 40k.

Lasguns spreading out like wildfire would level the playing field regardless if you're a civilian militia or a professional soldier from a 1st world military.

Earth's entire military would get mogged by one Space Marine chapter, two if their mission is to demand compliance and submission aka don't kill everybody.

America could probably kill one company and that's about it, they'll lose everyone else in exchange. China, Puccia, Yurop, India combined can take out one company but they'll also get wiped out.

>>21574
Orbital bombardment is cheating.

>>21559
the Imperium's best gear is some of the best tech in the setting on par with what Necrons and Eldar can do and way above Orks or Tau
but because the Imperium is so massive and decentralized they don't have the knowledge or infrastructure to utilize this tech everywhere
instead they mix in a lot of simple, rugged lower tech things, including stuff that is little different than modern tech like stubguns, flak armor and the engines in many of their ground vehicles

>Yeah, no. About the only country in the Venn diagram of "enough money to try" and "insane enough to try" is India, and given the stunning success of every other domestic production plan of theirs, I'm sure they will have no problem figuring out man-portable nuclear reactors.

The DPRK would try it without hesitation if they had even the most minor ability to make those genetic modifications, i'd be surprised if they were not attempting to do it already. While i doubt they can do all but the most minor modifications to their gene stock they are the most likely nation to try it due to a uniquely isolated genetic base and their government structure.

If anyone was going to try to make genetically enhanced soldiers (proto pre 30K Dark age Warhammer thunder warriors) it would be the DPRK, India doesn't have the balls to do it.

>>21574
I am sorry, but what can those faggots do against an F-35 dropping JDAMs and JSMs 10km off the ground, or an endless streams of fibre optics FPV drones with RPG AT rounds, while the operators sit comfortably some 50km away from the front lines? They don't even have MANPADs. A single Apache lobbing Hellfires can wreck their vehicle fleets and logistics.
>Muh space ships
They are nothing without one.

>>21578
drop pod assault the airbases and massacre everyone there
have terminator squads teleport into the white house and whatever bunker the joint chiefs are hiding in
they can't always do this stuff in 40k because many of the Imperium's enemies are also terrifying in cqc or have their own warp/psychic bullshit but modern militaries have no defense against it

>>21577
Also the DPRK can do that sort of experimentation because they could just use condemned prisoners. I might be a Nork apologist but even i'm not ignorant of how horrible they can be sometimes.

>>21579
A single chapter has like 1000 space marines. What do you even mean by airbases? There are like 1500-2000 known airbases. That's not counting the myriads of nuclear silos, bunkers, ammunition depots, factories.
Even if the space marines brought their battle barges, take out all our satellites, use their EMP, target visible military bases, each space marine has to neutralize 200k-300k soldiers and that's only the current active personnels across the fucking globe.

>>21553
I used to think the assault bikes were stupid, but seeing combat in Ukraine where AFVs were used to land troops into enemy positions, and the graduation from that to bike assaults, they made a bit more sense. If you're already a power armored god protected from small arms, something fast to allow you to close with and destroy the enemy is a little less stupid.

>>21581
Then they move onto the second part of his post and commence decapitation strikes. Or, you know, sit in orbit and just blast everything with macrocannons until the surrender offers start coming in. It all comes back to the battle barge, which we have no way of countering.

>>21582
Their bikes do look stupid. GSC have bikes that look like actual functional bikes, and aesthetics wise, you can't beat eldar jetbikes(the space elves have always had the best looking vehicles in the game).

>>21581
>There are like 1500-2000 known airbases
Most of them don't have combat ready F-35s or anything that the space marines would really care about. The ones that do could be hit with impunity
>Even if the space marines brought their battle barges, take out all our satellites, use their EMP, target visible military bases, each space marine has to neutralize 200k-300k soldiers and that's only the current active personnels across the fucking globe
The point is that they don't have to personally kill every Earth soldier because Earth doesn't have any of the tools that are used to defend against a space marine orbital assault (i.e. blocking teleportation with warp shenanigans or being scary enough to beat isolated groups of marines in close combat)
If the war did drag on, modern weapons could be adapted to fighting marines but that might not happen quickly enough to prevent all leadership from being killed and damage to electricity/water infrastructure

>>21553
Las and plasma weaponry would be god tier, even with the teeny tiny chance of blowing you up on the latter
the rest is meh

>>21574
>Lasguns spreading out like wildfire would level the playing field regardless if you're a civilian militia or a professional soldier from a 1st world military.
no it wouldn't lol. lasguns aren't that good, and if everyone has one then it depends on all the other factors of military, in which case they still lose.
>Earth's entire military would get mogged by one Space Marine chapter, two if their mission is to demand compliance and submission aka don't kill everybody.
The only advantage space marines have is the battle barge doing orbital bomardment, which earth cannot currently counter. that's it.

>>21576
the imperium is essntially incapable of making or often even maintaing this gear. they're daot wunderwaffen.

>>21576
>the Imperium's best gear is some of the best tech in the setting on par with what Necron
fuck no, and even if it was its shit they couldn't replicate even in 30k

>>21557
>About the only country in the Venn diagram of "enough money to try" and "insane enough to try" is India
Nah, no indian male is manly enough to withstand astartes surgery. They are the second whiniest men on earth after the jews.

>>21581
Those soldiers will be busy raping the locals for food water and amusement as their command structures evaporate.

I'd struggle to find 40K vehicles that work better than our own
>Rhino chassis on various adeptus astartes vehicles
not exactly the best profile or armor, I also saw riveted parts (I am sure space marines love to play ping pong inside), whirlwind's effective range sucks
>Imperial Guard
>Leman Russ
riveted armor, tall and wide profile, top speed half of a modern tank... bratty tank needs correction
>Basilisk
the mobile artillery platform with 15Km range, we have upgraded from WW1 to WW2 tech
>Valkyrie
it reminds me of the movie Pentagon Wars, where a vehicle needed to fulfill every role under a sun and still somehow not being total disaster
needs VTOL
needs troop/cargo compartment
has to participate in dogfights
needs to be spaceworthy with atmospheric capabilities
needs decent speed
>Landcrawler
Hey it's the Bob Semple tank!
>Deathstrike Missle Launcher
it launches 1 ICBM, whoopty doo
>Leviathan
Notre Dame on Wheels with guns

>>21592
Leman Russ is riveted the same way the Cromwell and M10 Booker are: they're there to hold the armour together, but the chassis-proper is welded so while hits might knock plates off, the squishes inside will not be at liberty of getting ganked by their own proteciton.
That still doesn't fix the myriad of other issues with it, but it's a consideration.

>>21573
Also they run on pretty much any fuel imaginable, including wood and corpses.

>>21564
This at least fits their terminator armour, which is canonically the dark age of tech equivalent of a hazmat suit.

>>21592
40k vehicles are adapted to 40k battlefields which means the heavy vehicles are incredibly slow but have good armor and firepower and the fast vehicles somehow still have enough armor to tank a hit or two from a lascannon or krak missle
I think if the U.S. Marine Corps could use the Valkyrie instead of their Ospreys it'd be a straight upgrade
but stuff like the Leman Russ and Land Raider has no purpose on a battlefield that's not teeming with orks/nids/etc

>>21596
Though mechanically it counts as no damage being done, I wonder if in-universe most "tanked" hits against a lascannon aren't just the laser overpenetrating and failing to hit anything important a-la how some Japanese tanks survived getting struck by 37mm guns in the Pacific.

>>21553
Everything that is modern Warhammer sucks. I want to go back to first edition when they had fun and they made up crap and the space Marines were literally gay

>>21596
>40k vehicles are adapted to 40k battlefields
40k vehicles are copy+pastes of cool looking early/mid 20th century military vehicles with sci fi catholic body horror added on afterwards for flavor. Anything else was made up after the fact to justify in-universe what they thought would look cool as a model.

>Basilisk
>the mobile artillery platform with 15Km range, we have upgraded from WW1 to WW2 tech

It's an 8.8cm Flak 36 AA gun scaled up 150% and called an artillery piece because bongs are retarded.

>>21553
I want /tg/ to leave.
>>>/tg/

>>21599
Oh and let's not forget how the artists all seem to think that the rule for "heroic scale" on the models only applies to the human proportions rather than to weapons and such as well.

>>21592
>>21596
Base Valkyries aren't space capable.