>Multi-fuel Engine
What a brilliant idea, why don't they work?
>Multi-fuel Engine What a brilliant idea, why don't they work?
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Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 14:32:53
>>21471
They do.
They do.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 14:34:43
Some do, just not that one because it has British Leyland on it.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 14:42:02
>>21473
To be fair, the British were building this in 1954.
To be fair, the British were building this in 1954.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 14:54:58
>>21474
It's 2026 and British cars are still shit.
It's 2026 and British cars are still shit.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:04:49
>>21474
Yeah, badly. Took another two decades before it ran right.
Yeah, badly. Took another two decades before it ran right.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:05:06
>>21475
retard
retard
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:08:01
>>21471
Does it work with wood gas?
Does it work with wood gas?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:13:49
>>21477
Where's the other one?
Where's the other one?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:17:23
>>21477
British cars are great, when they work
Which is not very often
British cars are great, when they work
Which is not very often
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:21:20
>>21480
Must be an anglo thing.
Must be an anglo thing.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:22:13
>>21471
Define "multi-fuel"
Define "multi-fuel"
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-04 15:34:25
>>21471
>inline 6
Because only Junkers knew how to make them good.
>inline 6
Because only Junkers knew how to make them good.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 05:39:42
>>21482
Diesel #1, diesel #2, ag diesel, marine diesel, heater oil (diesel), kerosene (diesel), jet fuel (diesel), HFO (diesel), biodiesel (not diesel)
Diesel #1, diesel #2, ag diesel, marine diesel, heater oil (diesel), kerosene (diesel), jet fuel (diesel), HFO (diesel), biodiesel (not diesel)
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 05:41:49
>>21479
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Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 05:43:44
>>21484
#1, Kerosene and JP are basically the same thing. Which I acknowledge was part of your point.
#1, Kerosene and JP are basically the same thing. Which I acknowledge was part of your point.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 05:46:27
>>21471
Multi-fuel shit tends to be maintenance intensive and overly complex, since different fuels ignite at different pressures and some require lubricants to not cause excessive wear. Theres nothing wrong with the idea, but its not as simple as the name suggests and running every vehicle off JP8 is logistically much more straightforward.
Multi-fuel shit tends to be maintenance intensive and overly complex, since different fuels ignite at different pressures and some require lubricants to not cause excessive wear. Theres nothing wrong with the idea, but its not as simple as the name suggests and running every vehicle off JP8 is logistically much more straightforward.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 05:55:06
>>21484
Thats just the MTU spec sheet
Thats just the MTU spec sheet
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 05:56:52
>>21486
Ag diesel and heater oil are also the same thing, which is diesel #2 with red dye.
Ag diesel and heater oil are also the same thing, which is diesel #2 with red dye.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 10:52:57
>>21487
This guy gets it. Trying to design an engine that isn't a turbine to run off fuels of varying viscosity, lubricity, volatility, energy density, and with different thermal responses that does its job off all of them is a nightmare. Trying to keep one running is a Sisyphean task.
>but what's special about turbines
It just fucking spins. As long as something is burning it just fucking spins. It doesn't need to worry about injection pressures and atomization rates vs cylinder dwell time and ideal stoichiometry, it just fucking spins. Yeah, you'll need to make some minor adjustments depending on fuel, but at the end of the day it's easier to just flow a shit load of whatever into a combustion chamber and let it fucking spin.
This guy gets it. Trying to design an engine that isn't a turbine to run off fuels of varying viscosity, lubricity, volatility, energy density, and with different thermal responses that does its job off all of them is a nightmare. Trying to keep one running is a Sisyphean task.
>but what's special about turbines
It just fucking spins. As long as something is burning it just fucking spins. It doesn't need to worry about injection pressures and atomization rates vs cylinder dwell time and ideal stoichiometry, it just fucking spins. Yeah, you'll need to make some minor adjustments depending on fuel, but at the end of the day it's easier to just flow a shit load of whatever into a combustion chamber and let it fucking spin.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 12:19:45
>>21485
neither of those cars are great, mclarens can’t even finish the fucking races half the time get bent faggot
neither of those cars are great, mclarens can’t even finish the fucking races half the time get bent faggot
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 12:24:21
>>21471
>While the standard military fuel is JP-8 jet fuel (aviation diesel), the tank can also run on standard diesel, kerosene, gasoline, heating oil, and even high-proof alcohol.
But they do. Check the Abrams.
>While the standard military fuel is JP-8 jet fuel (aviation diesel), the tank can also run on standard diesel, kerosene, gasoline, heating oil, and even high-proof alcohol.
But they do. Check the Abrams.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 12:42:54
>>21471
they do work
they're called gas turbines
will literally burn anything
even 100 proof booze
they do work
they're called gas turbines
will literally burn anything
even 100 proof booze
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 12:59:27
Even with steam turbines capable of burning virtually anything thrown into the boiler, the requirements for fuel quality are strict when it comes to generating a practical level of power output.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 14:08:47
>>21490
>Trying to design an engine that isn't a turbine to run off fuels of varying viscosity, lubricity, volatility, energy density, and with different thermal responses that does its job off all of them is a nightmare.
Ahem.
>Trying to design an engine that isn't a turbine to run off fuels of varying viscosity, lubricity, volatility, energy density, and with different thermal responses that does its job off all of them is a nightmare.
Ahem.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 14:20:14
>>21491
>Won the Driver's and Manufacturer's Championships last year
>Only 2 DNFs out of 16 entries so far this year
>Won the Driver's and Manufacturer's Championships last year
>Only 2 DNFs out of 16 entries so far this year
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 14:22:12
Umm...
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 14:25:25
>>21495
Ok, point given. Now make it small enough to fit in a chassis, give it good HP/ton and peak torque, and a wide enough RPM band to allow for combat use.
Ok, point given. Now make it small enough to fit in a chassis, give it good HP/ton and peak torque, and a wide enough RPM band to allow for combat use.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 14:30:23
>>21490
115/145 Avgas was shitty fuel to run J47s on.
Lead deposits.
115/145 Avgas was shitty fuel to run J47s on.
Lead deposits.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 16:41:30
>>21499
And current diesel fuel used in the US has carboxylytes precipitating out of solution at above 38k PSI and depositing inside injectors which is causing all kinds of issues with new common rail systems. It doesn't change the fact that turbines are way, way more accomodating of various fuels.
And current diesel fuel used in the US has carboxylytes precipitating out of solution at above 38k PSI and depositing inside injectors which is causing all kinds of issues with new common rail systems. It doesn't change the fact that turbines are way, way more accomodating of various fuels.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 16:41:59
>>21489
>Ag diesel and heater oil are also the same thing
I was going to call you retarded
...but you're right? Wtf? It is just diesel without lubricants that an engine wants. Insane. I thought something more energy dense would be used, like, something a really oily and hard to pimp.
>Ag diesel and heater oil are also the same thing
I was going to call you retarded
...but you're right? Wtf? It is just diesel without lubricants that an engine wants. Insane. I thought something more energy dense would be used, like, something a really oily and hard to pimp.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 16:45:34
>>21477
What kind of asshole drives a Lotus?
What kind of asshole drives a Lotus?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 16:46:09
>>21471
Every modern tank engine is multi-fuel, it just needs some tuning before use.
Every modern tank engine is multi-fuel, it just needs some tuning before use.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 17:29:28
>>21474
Even back in WW2, Ford was tasked with making engines for Rolls Royce for use in aircraft. They had to ask the Brits what the actual fuck was wrong with their schematics, these engines were impossible to build. The Brits of course responded with characteristic, falsely placed smug superiority "Haha, we knew you idiots couldn't make an engine so well engineered" to which Ford replied "No, you retards, these tolerances are fucked, we literally can't make an engine this imprecisely it won't work" so they redesigned the whole thing and then started mass producing them.
ALL US tanks use 'multifuel' engines.
Even back in WW2, Ford was tasked with making engines for Rolls Royce for use in aircraft. They had to ask the Brits what the actual fuck was wrong with their schematics, these engines were impossible to build. The Brits of course responded with characteristic, falsely placed smug superiority "Haha, we knew you idiots couldn't make an engine so well engineered" to which Ford replied "No, you retards, these tolerances are fucked, we literally can't make an engine this imprecisely it won't work" so they redesigned the whole thing and then started mass producing them.
ALL US tanks use 'multifuel' engines.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 18:01:36
>>21504
>Even back in WW2
Even back in WW2 the P-51 was a piece of junk till they put a Rolls Royce engine in it.
>Even back in WW2
Even back in WW2 the P-51 was a piece of junk till they put a Rolls Royce engine in it.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 18:03:14
>>21505
Built in the USA, since the British couldn't even make them properly or in volume of course.
Built in the USA, since the British couldn't even make them properly or in volume of course.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 18:14:38
>>21501
In most of the US, heater oil even has the engine additives because you have to special order it and the fuel wholesalers will just come out and fill you up with ag diesel (which is normal diesel #2 but without road use taxes, and dyed red so the cops can swab your tank to check for the dye if they think you're using it to fill your pickups). It's basically just New England where heater oil is prevalent enough to stock separately.
In most of the US, heater oil even has the engine additives because you have to special order it and the fuel wholesalers will just come out and fill you up with ag diesel (which is normal diesel #2 but without road use taxes, and dyed red so the cops can swab your tank to check for the dye if they think you're using it to fill your pickups). It's basically just New England where heater oil is prevalent enough to stock separately.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 18:14:59
>>21490
>doesn't need to worry about injection pressures and atomization rates
Turbine fuel injectors do care about these things actually.
>doesn't need to worry about injection pressures and atomization rates
Turbine fuel injectors do care about these things actually.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 18:25:30
>>21506
ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/uk-merlin-production-figures.53485/
Why lie?
ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/uk-merlin-production-figures.53485/
Why lie?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 18:31:19
>>21501
Amazing. Even though your first reaction was to be the retard AND a cunt, you managed to educate yourself.
Diesel is diesel, some of it is just taxed harder.
Amazing. Even though your first reaction was to be the retard AND a cunt, you managed to educate yourself.
Diesel is diesel, some of it is just taxed harder.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 18:59:57
>>21509
For the purpose of stoking division between Western nations.
For the purpose of stoking division between Western nations.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 19:58:48
>>21501
Heating oil being just red-dyed diesel is a US thing, and happens because it's the cheapest and most efficient way to get the job done, considering the size of the market niche compared to overall diesel demand, how US refineries are set up, and how refined products are shipped. In some third-world countries (i.e., Russia), I believe it's a heavy gunk that isn't good for much else. I can't speak for anyone else.
Heating oil being just red-dyed diesel is a US thing, and happens because it's the cheapest and most efficient way to get the job done, considering the size of the market niche compared to overall diesel demand, how US refineries are set up, and how refined products are shipped. In some third-world countries (i.e., Russia), I believe it's a heavy gunk that isn't good for much else. I can't speak for anyone else.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:00:09
>>21505
Packard-Bell took the RR blueprints and figured out how to make them work.
Packard-Bell took the RR blueprints and figured out how to make them work.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:13:17
>>21512
>Heating oil being just red-dyed diesel is a US thing
No, it's a thing in various European countries too, although the color of the dye is subject to change.
It's all basically just diesel with some dye added, to indicate that it's not supposed to be used in road-going motor vehicles, and that it's supposed to be taxed differently.
Then there's Mazut. The coal tar-like awfulness the russians use for central heating systems in their cities, and what still powers some of their navy ships.
The accursed Mazut shit the russians burn in their central heating plants is exclusively a third-world thing.
In terms of fuel quality and contamination levels, Mazut is significantly worse than the Bunker-C heavy fuel oil the allies were fueling their ships with in WWII.
The shitter parts of the former soviet union, and Iran, are the only significant producers and consumers of Mazut.
Mazut is such utter garbage that there are international laws preventing the use of such fuel to power commercial ships on the open oceans.
It's arguably even worse than coal in terms of pollution and smog.
>Heating oil being just red-dyed diesel is a US thing
No, it's a thing in various European countries too, although the color of the dye is subject to change.
It's all basically just diesel with some dye added, to indicate that it's not supposed to be used in road-going motor vehicles, and that it's supposed to be taxed differently.
Then there's Mazut. The coal tar-like awfulness the russians use for central heating systems in their cities, and what still powers some of their navy ships.
The accursed Mazut shit the russians burn in their central heating plants is exclusively a third-world thing.
In terms of fuel quality and contamination levels, Mazut is significantly worse than the Bunker-C heavy fuel oil the allies were fueling their ships with in WWII.
The shitter parts of the former soviet union, and Iran, are the only significant producers and consumers of Mazut.
Mazut is such utter garbage that there are international laws preventing the use of such fuel to power commercial ships on the open oceans.
It's arguably even worse than coal in terms of pollution and smog.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:19:22
>>21514
Bunker fuel is at least good for the climate, but they're burning something worse IN THEIR CITIES? Surely they do have an upper class that'd enjoy not getting cancer from just breathing air?
Bunker fuel is at least good for the climate, but they're burning something worse IN THEIR CITIES? Surely they do have an upper class that'd enjoy not getting cancer from just breathing air?
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:26:26
>>21515
>Surely they do have an upper class that'd enjoy not getting cancer from just breathing air?
They live in the EU
>Surely they do have an upper class that'd enjoy not getting cancer from just breathing air?
They live in the EU
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:28:50
>>21516
They should be put on a sealed train and sent to moscow.
They should be put on a sealed train and sent to moscow.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:30:42
>>21515
The "upper class" in russia only exist in two cities.
Moscow and St.Petersburg. Those are the only two areas in the entire vast nation with a standard of living anywhere approaching western levels.
The rest of russia is beyond 3rd world tier, full of troglodytes living in the decaying ruins of the Soviet union.
That being said, the very wealthiest russians rarely live in russia, the oligarchs just buy citizenships in the west and live there.
Yeah, the russians are burning this shit in their cities just to stay warm enough to survive, and to provide electricity.
The Iranians burn the same shit to run their power plants, and the smog is bad enough that Iranians are encouraged to keep their windows and doors closed at all times, and Iranian schools are closed on "smog days" when the pollution is so fucking bad that just being outdoors is enough to cause serious health effects.
The russians don't give a fuck, they don't expect their population to live beyond 50-60 years anyway, so they just pump poison into the air and tell their population to suck it up and deal with it, because mazut is cheap and disposable, just like the russian population.
The "upper class" in russia only exist in two cities.
Moscow and St.Petersburg. Those are the only two areas in the entire vast nation with a standard of living anywhere approaching western levels.
The rest of russia is beyond 3rd world tier, full of troglodytes living in the decaying ruins of the Soviet union.
That being said, the very wealthiest russians rarely live in russia, the oligarchs just buy citizenships in the west and live there.
Yeah, the russians are burning this shit in their cities just to stay warm enough to survive, and to provide electricity.
The Iranians burn the same shit to run their power plants, and the smog is bad enough that Iranians are encouraged to keep their windows and doors closed at all times, and Iranian schools are closed on "smog days" when the pollution is so fucking bad that just being outdoors is enough to cause serious health effects.
The russians don't give a fuck, they don't expect their population to live beyond 50-60 years anyway, so they just pump poison into the air and tell their population to suck it up and deal with it, because mazut is cheap and disposable, just like the russian population.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:39:53
>>21505
God I haven’t seen this image in at least 11 years.
God I haven’t seen this image in at least 11 years.
Anonymous · reply · 2026-07-05 20:43:11
>>21513
>>21506
>It was a shitty engine and we couldn't build a better one so we had to buy it on license
Not the flex you think it is
>>21506
>It was a shitty engine and we couldn't build a better one so we had to buy it on license
Not the flex you think it is
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